I don't know all the different leucomela morphs, but the ones I have are the green footed morph. (I think they are considered their own morph at least).

 

I went to the REXPO event in Rochester NY a few weeks ago and purchased 2 "clown" leucomelas from Leaf Litter. They are orange!!! And very distinct patterns. Also by far the most active frogs I have.

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I noticed the camera does at capture the shade of orange they truly are.


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Clown Leucs are not a line of frogs not should they be treated as such. They are standard Leucs that have a aberrant pattern. They will produce standard and non standard Leucs ( clown).

 

Ok. Sorry for my misunderstanding. I couldn't find much about them and noticed the difference between them and Leucs I had at home. Should I still keep them seperate from the standard (more yellow)Leucs I have had?


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Those are a linebred morph of standard leucs.

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/dendrobates/110722-has-anyone-seen-luec-like-one.html
http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/dendrobates/103105-d-leucomelas-kenny-izumi.html

They should be mixed back in with "standard" leucomelas just the same way the 'chocolate' leucs should be mixed in.

 

Thank you very much for the info. I have seen the first thread but never the second. I will keep this is mind and move them in with the other Leucs I have. If Mama Leuc will allow it that is. Thanks again.


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So, slight hijack - I just got a trio of leucs, my first dart frogs. They are still young (5-6mo ow) but I think they may be 2.1 because there is one that is much more rotund than the other two.

Since these are all from the same brood, once they are older and I have a proven pair I should trade one for another frog of the same gender so that I'm not inbreeding, right? And are their green feet really the mark of a separate morph or is it just a variation of the standard morph? Breeding isn't really my goal, but when it starts happening I want to do it in a way that conforms to the proper husbandry standards.

 

to answer the first part of your question, yes you should always strive to separate siblings to avoid inbreeding, theoretically this should be done with all frogs. You just have to make sure to get the same line and/or morph which depends on the frog you're working with. I haven't done much reserarch on leucs(although the bandeds always catch my eye) so I cant answer the second part, but im sure the answer is somewhere here on dendroboard. try the search function, im sure you'll find something in regards. It's always good to see people striving for good husbandry practices. good luck with them!

 

Thanks RikRok,

I've been trying to find the answer on this question of whether the green footed variety is a separate morph or just a feature that occurs in some lines of the standard morph. It seems like it might be because I've found that in 1996 there was an import that was green footed. Many people don't seem to think they are a separate morph though. I've found pictures of a blue footed leucomela and they have very distinctly blue feet. Mine have noticeably green toes and feet and parts of their legs and body close to the legs are green as well but aren't as saturated as the blue legs. Further complicating this is the fact that some say that blue and green footed are the same morph but called differently in US vs Europe.

So when a new import makes a new morph available (like say the Guyana), is there a minimum number of individuals that are needed to create a viable line or can a new morph line be established with just two of the type? In other words, let's say someone brought in two Leucomelas that are red, or have entirely black heads or whatever, is that sufficient to start a new line or must there be some higher number of breeding pairs?

 

No 2 would not be enough. The line would become unstable like the Ranitomeya lamasi 'Standard' were until new blood was crossed with the old lines.
Check out this link for some added information.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtsuu9fj1vd9l0s/diversity-02-00047.pdf?dl=0

 

Oh. My bad I moved some stuff into a group folder. I'll fix it later tonight when I get home

 

Ok. No rush. Thank you

 

Btw, I re-read the DB care sheet and it says that the green feet are just another occasional feature of the standard morph found in some lines. So I'm good with that.

 

Dunner time D. Leucomelas female 2 yr

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I have kept both fine spotted and chocolate leucs. In my experience the chocolate leucs are a bit more bold and a lot better in groups. With my fine spots I kept a 2.2 and ended up having to split them because one of the females was relentlessly wrestling the other one.

The chocolates are my favorite.

 

 

Old tired but I just started with some Leucs and I wanted to share

 

leucomelas

 

I just got this trio of Guyana banded leucs from UE about two weeks ago.
Real nice banding and really bright yellow. Great little Guys

 

Julio, Those are some nice looking frogs, Thanks for posting such nice pics of them.

 

sure no prob

 

I have just nominant Leucs and I see a few of my offspring look extreme orange compared to all the others. I think it's based completely on the different nutrients you use.