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Baby frog and frog coloring generally

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#1 ·
I finally caught a froglet emerging from a brom axil on my pum RFB viv! Everyone else seems to be able to do this consistently, but I guess I just don't watch my frogs enough, or something. I try to enjoy the vivs as whole entities so I don't end up "eyeballing" them all the time, for fear of stressing them out.

Anyhow, here is the little one:

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Now, the more observant among you may have been asking yourselves "wait, that doesn't look like an RFB". And you'd be right. Indeed, it looks almost like a pum "blue jeans", which is a much more widespread morph of this species (unless you split O. typographica, which is still a bit suspect in my mind). So, what gives? I do not know if most or all recently emerged pums have this color pattern. But if they do, it would be similar to the case from the Phyllobates genus, where all species emerge looking like P. vittatus and the like, despite two notable species later becoming primarily, bright yellow.
This got me thinking. When an organism retains juvenile coloring, or attributes more generally, it is often called neoteny. For a dramatic example, think axolotols. In mammals, fallow deer have neotenous coloration in that they retain the spots into adulthood, common to many deer when young. But what about when the consistent attribute, like coloring, from youth through adulthood changes in only some lineages? Is this simply a case of derived coloration? Though it would be accurate, it also feel as though it misses some of the developmental attrbutes of the case. Try as I might, I couldn't find a single term that described this condition! Notabally, my wife is a professor of animal behavior and has colleagues who study coloration and development, and dart frogs specifically. This sort of surprised me! I suppose there is the open oportunity for someone to name this situation.

Sorry for going so far down the rabbit hole of nerd stuff. But apparently this is what I think about when I find my first newly emerged frog.
 
#2 ·
Oophaga typographica isn't a valid species. No moral to this, just a clarification. :)

When an organism retains juvenile coloring, or attributes more generally, it is often called neoteny. For a dramatic example, think axolotols. In mammals, fallow deer have neotenous coloration in that they retain the spots into adulthood, common to many deer when young. But what about when the consistent attribute, like coloring, from youth through adulthood changes in only some lineages?
"Ontogenic color change" is the term you're looking for, I think.
 
#3 ·
Congrats on the beautiful RFB pum. If you found one, there might be more, or more coming out of the water in the next 2 weeks. It is faiirly normal for pumilio babies not to be perfect copies of their parents, IMO it is the thrilling part of breeding them. Give them 6 months and they will look more like RFB pums. Until then, have fun feeding springtails and observing the little one grow. I add repashy cal+ and carotenoids to their diet as soon as they take ffs, they usually get even more intense colors within a few weeks.

I finally caught a froglet emerging from a brom axil on my pum RFB viv! Everyone else seems to be able to do this consistently, but I guess I just don't watch my frogs enough,
I suspect the setup is limiting you, as these frogs do best when left alone :)
 
#4 ·
Congrats on the beautiful RFB pum. If you found one, there might be more, or more coming out of the water in the next 2 weeks. It is faiirly normal for pumilio babies not to be perfect copies of their parents, IMO it is the thrilling part of breeding them. Give them 6 months and they will look more like RFB pums. Until then, have fun feeding springtails and observing the little one grow. I add repashy cal+ and carotenoids to their diet as soon as they take ffs, they usually get even more intense colors within a few weeks.
Thanks for the encouraging words! This will be the 11th baby to come from this couple. They've been quite productive for me in a relatively short period of time. I've just never had the chance to see such a young one emerge. And you might be right, my enclosure has quite a bit of cover for them, which they do like to use. I'd rather they be happy and comfortable than be forced to be on display for me at all times.