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Old 08-19-2010, 11:00 PM
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Hey everyone I have a quick question. I keep buying supplements every 6 months and never use all of it, so next time I'm thinking of taking half of the powder and vacuum sealing it with a oxygen absorber and place it in the freezer.

would this keep the vitamins from degrading? Trying to save as much money as I can for a trip to Europe next year.
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:09 PM
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Where are you located? You might be better off splitting it with a local frogger. I know I end up throwing out most of my supplements.
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Old 08-20-2010, 01:49 AM
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Never throw supps away......when they get old - into the bulk FF media container they go!
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Thanks Phil.

That is a SUPER idea!

I'm going to do that.
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:31 PM
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I would love to share my supplements with another frogger but not that many people in eastern NC have PDFs.
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:51 PM
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Lately I've been mixing small amounts of old supplements into the soil mixture for new tanks.
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Lately I've been mixing small amounts of old supplements into the soil mixture for new tanks.
Interesting idea but is there any benefit?
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:46 PM
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Interesting idea but is there any benefit?
Well, Ed could probably chime in with a more informed answer, but one of the advantages of clay is that there is a higher mineral content available to the frog (through micro-fauna, and hopefully, through contact). I imagine amending that could have results anywhere from negligible to dangerous, depending on the proportions and the original substrate.

In this case, I recently built 7 new tanks and went with a mix of sodium bentonite/aquatic soil with varying amounts of traditional substrate over that. I had left over vits/min that were out of date and I added what seemed like a reasonable amount to the Bentonite/aquatic soil that makes up the "underlayer".

Can't be sure of any benefit, really. It hasn't harmed the microfauna level any, which really exploded early (probably due to the "underlayer"). As far as ratio, I tried to err on the side of caution, and there are very few places where the frogs actually come in contact with the amended Bentonite.
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:00 PM
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I would love to share my supplements with another frogger but not that many people in eastern NC have PDFs.
Hmmm, how far east?

I'll send you a link to our locals group page here on DB.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:53 PM
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There are more of us than you might think!

I was thinking about doing the same thing (splitting with locals) just because it feels like a waste just to throw so much away. Otherwise (good idea Phil) it will go into the FF media bin.
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Never throw supps away......when they get old - into the bulk FF media container they go!
why would you do that. if it is too old to dust the food then wouldnt it be too old to put in the fly medium.
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why would you do that. if it is too old to dust the food then wouldnt it be too old to put in the fly medium.
While old supplements may have lost some or much of their nutritional value they aren't "bad". No worries about them poisoning the flies and they can still impart some nutrients to fruit flies or microfauna.
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why would you do that. if it is too old to dust the food then wouldnt it be too old to put in the fly medium.
After "expiration"....there are 2 choices:

1. Throw the supps in the trash.

2. "Use" them in some other manner.

We know that gutt loading FF is not possible but either adding the powder to the FF media or using it in viv soil is MUCH more satisfying than to throw it in the garbage isn't it?

It CAN'T hurt in any way......

This is one feel good husbandry technique that one really shouldn't try to overthink.
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A pity there isn't some sort of study that someone has scientifically conducted on adding supplement to soil or media and any measurable benefits it might produce.

Get on that Ed!
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or smaller portions of supplements available ....
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Never throw supps away......when they get old - into the bulk FF media container they go!
this is the first time i have heard about doing this. i have read that after a while herpavite stuff goes "bad." the chemical compisition changes,not good for herps. so why put it in the fly medium. explain to me.
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this is the first time i have heard about doing this. i have read that after a while herpavite stuff goes "bad." the chemical compisition changes,not good for herps. so why put it in the fly medium. explain to me.
Well I'm not the expert here but I think the VITAMINS degrade over time, the minerals don't. I use old repcal for the calcium portion in the clay soil recipe since it can't be used for dusting anymore since the D3 is no longer good in it but the calcium is fine.
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