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Discussion starter · #44 ·
First there was this one
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Then another
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And another o_O
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I am pretty confused right now. I got these frogs some large, expensive broms, imported from Spain. The reseller added a free, smaller Vriesea, that I thought would never be used. When every histo keeper I know recommends large broms, why do my frogs raise 2 tads in the smallest available???

More Andresi froglet shots for good measure
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And to round up, some large redheads from a 2020 Tesoros import. Thanks Mr H. for letting me have these!
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Discussion starter · #46 ·
Some pictures I took over the last months

Oophaga sylvatica white foot
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About these frogs: they are offspring of smuggled/confiscated frogs. Germany does not return confiscated animals to the country of origin but tends to hand them over to zoos and in some cases to registered individuals. When I got them, I got paperwork which traces the linage back, as well as papers of the handing over to the breeder - I registered them without an issue. The local handling of smuggled animals might be questionable to some. As well as getting them might be a case "it"s not because you can that you should". I was unable to resist...

Oophaga histrionica Atrato
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Oophaga histrionica Quibdo
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Oophaga Andresi
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Oophaga Anchicayensis (offspring & mom watching over)
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Oophaga histrionica Anchicaya
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#49 ·
gluedl said:
About these frogs: they are offspring of smuggled/confiscated frogs. Germany does not return confiscated animals to the country of origin but tends to hand them over to zoos and in some cases to registered individuals. When I got them, I got paperwork which traces the linage back, as well as papers of the handing over to the breeder - I registered them without an issue.
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I'm glad you've clarified this.

Here in the US, we don't have any such registration system. Without such records, the existence of any captive specimens of such species makes the laundering of trafficked specimens very easy. Not that a registration system couldn't be "gamed", but here all a person has to do is wave their hands and refer to some asserted legitimate import (or 'zoo line' or whatever) and drop a name or two and convince others that their specimens are legit.

Sellers here seem to be more cautious with CITES I species, but CITES II or unlisted species are commonly offered with sketchy backstories. We have a "gifting" loophole that gets exploited sometimes too.
 
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Socratic Monologue said:
I'm glad you've clarified this.

Here in the US, we don't have any such registration system. Without such records, the existence of any captive specimens of such species makes the laundering of trafficked specimens very easy. Not that a registration system couldn't be "gamed", but here all a person has to do is wave their hands and refer to some asserted legitimate import (or 'zoo line' or whatever) and drop a name or two and convince others that their specimens are legit.

Sellers here seem to be more cautious with CITES I species, but CITES II or unlisted species are commonly offered with sketchy backstories. We have a "gifting" loophole that gets exploited sometimes too.
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In Germany the biggest issue most likely is the fact that you can pass of smuggled frogs as "offspring" if you already keep the species. Also there are plenty of frogs in the hobby that were never legally exported but are very easy to buy captive bred. Interesting to hear that there is no registration system at all in the US though. In Germany basically all Dart frogs need to be registered, with the expection of Auratus and Tinctorius "Azoreus". But it really helps that you see where the breeder from the frogs you want to acquire got his frogs back in the day.
 
Discussion starter · #52 ·
Tilmatura said:
Wow those are some REALLY nice frogs. How bold are the redheads??
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Thanks! When settled in, mine are all over the tank and you can see them the whole day, they are really bold. As an example: I do not toss dusted flies directly in the tank, I add them to a film canister that I put in various places in the tank. The canisters stay in the tank till the next feeding. The frogs quickly learn that the film canisters provide flies and sometimes, one sits on the empty canister, waiting for a fly to appear. I had a few instances, where I could grab the empty film canister for a cleaning and fly refill and the frog did not bother and just stayed on the film canister. I placed the canister on the bottom of the tank and the frog finally got off.
 
Discussion starter · #53 ·
Yesterday was an important day. The biggest ever shipment from Tesoros de Colombia finally arrived in Germany. Handover of the frogs happened in Hamm at the Terraristika, which made the whole experience even more epic. I had 8 animals on order, initial payment was made on the 8th May 22. The authorities involved in the import paperwork in Europe were less then cooperative this time and it nearly took 16 months to get all the paperwork done. I would like to thank everybody involved in this process, for making this import possible! A big thanks to Tesoros, all the frogs I received are top notch. And the overall experience was flawless. Mucho gusto!!


I received 8 little cups.
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0.0.4 Oophaga histrionica "yellow saddleback"
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1.0.2 Oophaga histrionica "Pacasi"
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0.0.1 Oophaga histrionica "Anchicaya"
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Some of these have sore noses from their journey. They flew over the Atlantic, then had a 400km drive home... I will look after that during the next weeks.
 
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