Skip the paludarium part. The tank is already small for a pair of southern.
When to secure wood
I'm currently in the building stage of my new palladium. The eggcrate is secure and siliconed to the back, but for my next step. I am unsure if I need to foam everything in at one (IE branches) or if i could foam over the egg crate, paint it, and the foam the branches in over the base so to speak. The tank will be bromamide heavy, its a 12x12x24 for a pair of southerns.
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Yeah. I have had thumbnails in a 12x12 foot print tank and it sucked. They were always a couple of hops from the door. Catching them in that size tank was worse. If your first shot of knabbing them misses you better hope they flee toward the back not out the door. There is just not room to work.Skip the paludarium part. The tank is already small for a pair of southern.
I’d maybe get an 18x18x24 for the pair and the 12x12x24 for juveniles until they get to maybe 3-3 months OOTWits a 12x12x24 for a pair of southerns.
That’s what the brand line is called…. I have no intention of running it like one. I prefer the height and deep bottom for plantingSkip the paludarium part. The tank is already small for a pair of southern.
For thumbnails? I thought 12x12x18 was the min? I’ve seen a lot of breeders that keep them like that. I have no intention to breed,I’d maybe get an 18x18x24 for the pair and the 12x12x24 for juveniles until they get to maybe 3-3 months OOTW
Anyway, can we get back to my actual question plead
A pair of frogs kind of does that on their own, regardless of the keepers' intention.I have no intention to breed,
I use some of those high-fronted 12 x 12 x 24 vivs (yes, the manufacturer calls them 'paludariums', but that word denotes a viv design style, regardless of how it has been very recently appropriated to sell inappropriate enclosures because they hit some "price point"). They're OK for thumbnail growouts (though I foolishly use the ZooMed ones with the ridiculous single door -- pandemic availabilty issues have lasting effects). Foaming in a background would seriously degrade their usefulness, since then the frogs are always like nine inches from freedom (and at most 4.5 inches from the nearest wall).
A lot of breeders do a lot of things; doesn't make those things recommendable. Nor is 'minimum' a great evaluative metric. That's not intended to be snarky, just pointing out that common practice and good practice are two very different things.
Doesn’t matter if you intend on Breeding or not, they still need the same amount of space. They will probably breed eventually anyway.For thumbnails? I thought 12x12x18 was the min? I’ve seen a lot of breeders that keep them like that. I have no intention to breed,
What do you mean by not having intentions of running it like one? If it’s a paludarium it will have a water feature. If it doesn’t have a water feature it’s a viv (for the most part).I have no intention of running it like one. I prefer the height and deep bottom for planting
Edit: I see that’s just the name of the tank. Don’t say it’s a paludarium or people will be confused. Call it what you are going to be creating (vivarium, paludarium, etc)
As far as your question, you always secure your wood.
Thai is all fine, and info i will consider, but even after all of this discussion, I still do not have an answer for my actual question, which can be applied to larger tanks tanks as wellA pair of frogs kind of does that on their own, regardless of the keepers' intention.
I use some of those high-fronted 12 x 12 x 24 vivs (yes, the manufacturer calls them 'paludariums', but that word denotes a viv design style, regardless of how it has been very recently appropriated to sell inappropriate enclosures because they hit some "price point"). They're OK for thumbnail growouts (though I foolishly use the ZooMed ones with the ridiculous single door -- pandemic availabilty issues have lasting effects). Foaming in a background would seriously degrade their usefulness, since then the frogs are always like nine inches from freedom (and at most 4.5 inches from the nearest wall).
A lot of breeders do a lot of things; doesn't make those things recommendable. Nor is 'minimum' a great evaluative metric. That's not intended to be snarky, just pointing out that common practice and good practice are two very different things.
But is it best to foam at the beginning or can I do a back ground layer, then foam the branches in on top of it? Ie I could go ahead and paint the back, then foam in branches, then paint the new foam?As far as your question, you always secure your wood.
Doesn’t matter if you intend on Breeding or not, they still need the same amount of space. They will probably breed eventually anyway.
What do you mean by not having intentions of running it like one? If it’s a paludarium it will have a water feature. If it doesn’t have a water feature it’s a viv (for the most part).
Edit: I see that’s just the name of the tank. Don’t say it’s a paludarium or people will be confused. Call it what you are going to be creating (vivarium, paludarium, etc)
I plan to cull any and all eggs, also it’s the name of the line of tanksDoesn’t matter if you intend on Breeding or not, they still need the same amount of space. They will probably breed eventually anyway.
What do you mean by not having intentions of running it like one? If it’s a paludarium it will have a water feature. If it doesn’t have a water feature it’s a viv (for the most part).
Edit: I see that’s just the name of the tank. Don’t say it’s a paludarium or people will be confused. Call it what you are going to be creating (vivarium, paludarium, etc)
I can't recommend you trying a foam background on a tank that small. Or recommend a tank that small at all.But is it best to foam at the beginning or can I do a back ground layer, then foam the branches in on top of it? Ie I could go ahead and paint the back, then foam in branches, then paint the new foam?
I would suggest foaming them on in the beginning. It would take up way more space than needed. Don’t make the same mistake I did. I would recommend putting the viv on its side, olace the wood where you want it, and then use the foam around it and wherever else.But is it best to foam at the beginning or can I do a back ground layer, then foam the branches in on top of it? Ie I could go ahead and paint the back, then foam in branches, then paint the new foam?
Awesome, thank you!!I would suggest foaming them on in the beginning. It would take up way more space than needed. Don’t make the same mistake I did. I would recommend putting the viv on its side, olace the wood where you want it, and then use the foam around it and wherever else.
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