[Pumilo]

Why do people see the barrel of the gun, yet step into the clearing anyway, arms waving and screaming, "shoot Meee! Over Here!!"?
This is so done to death. Please, do your homework. It is obvious you have not used the search function or spent any time at all researching and reading.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my raincoat to prepare for the bloodbath!

 

[Pumilo]

The search feature is located at the top of every page. It is in the green bar.

 

[Pumilo]

Why do you have to shoot everyone that asks the question? I, for one, completely understand and support your(not referring to you specifically Doug) wanting to keep bloodlines pure. And I, for one, would never introduce hybrids into the hobby. If I want to keep three male Terriblis in a 75 gallon enclosure and one is yellow, one is mint, and one is orange (just an example). How does it effect the hobby if proper husbandry methods are used and the frogs are fat, healthy and stress free?

I didn't shoot anyone. I don't believe I attacked in any way or said anything for or against mixing. I merely pointed out in a comical way that you may want to research this before opening yourself up to the inevitable attacks. Why do I say inevitable attacks? Because if you have read a single one of the many, many, mixing threads on here, you've seen it.
I know you said you're not referring to me, specifically. I'm just pointing out that I am unarmed and not holding the gun. I'm just sitting on the sidelines in my raincoat waiting for someone to pass the popcorn!

 

[Pumilo]

well if they can breed then they must be the same species no? dogs were probably a bad example for the hybrid thing but not for the selective breeding. dogs were once wolves, and were selectively bred by people to produce certain traits and became dogs. look at pure bred dogs, most of them have horrible health problems and such from being inbred and bred with small gene pool. that to me, is wrong, but it is done all the time (with many animals) and i'm sure it is done very often to keep these so called "pure frogs".

but if you can produce a healthy hybrid without health problems for your own enjoyment and you aren't trying to sell them as something they aren't, is it wrong? people breed fancy shrimp all the time, and then there are purists who keep only the wild forms of the shrimp. isn't there a place for both?

You are completely disregarding and ignoring the fact that they can and have, leaked out into the hobby. I saw it pointed out a couple of times and you are not acknowledging it. What happens when the keeper/breeder is involved in a fatal car accident? Family or whoever could take them into a pet shop not realizing what they are doing.
Or what happens when the breeder just decides they are done with the hobby? Think about it. Are you prepared just kill the frogs you've raised from babies? I don't think so.

 

[Pumilo]

well that's why i said it takes responsibility on the part of the owner (and the buyer) to not advertise the frogs as something they aren't or buy frogs they haven't researched previously. i see it all the time with fish. people walk in and buy a fish without any clue what it is and then don't know what to do when it ends up being 4 feet long (yes it happens all the time).

if you are open and tell people that they are hybrid frogs so people are prepared, is it such a big deal? it will always take a certain amount of responsibility.

Yes, it is. You are not even doing this yet, and you have already admitted that you will release them to the public. How is that taking any responsibility at all for your "experiment"? You have already relinquished control of your polluted bloodline even before you have created it. Now you have no idea what happens to your "Frankenstein". All we know is that you are already prepared to turn him loose on an unsuspecting town.

 

[Pumilo]

Call the Frog Police! Captain Jake needs to take this guy downtown!

 

[Pumilo]

you make it sound like a very dramatic disaster... if the person receiving the frog is responsible and knowledgeable and they know the frog's history, i don't see problem.

That is my point. You are refusing to take any responsibility for releasing them to the public and diluting the bloodlines. In one breath you say you will take responsibility and in the next you have already released them into the hobby and you don't care what your experiment will do to our hobby. This is completely selfish and as Irresponsible as you can possibly get.

 

[Pumilo]

This has happened recently. Someone in PA purchased some frogs that were hybrids at the Hamburg show. That person moved and pawned them off on a friend that offered them to anyone on DB that would take them. The person that took them was performing an act of charity. So basically someone gets there 18 months of friends hyping up there cool tank and then has to extend an olive branch to anyone who will take them because they can no longer keep them.

We (the hobby) got lucky on that one as they went to a responsible party who will keep them without breeding them.

 

[Pumilo]

I'm assuming you're talking about me (cant imagine this happened to someone else in the same state lol) so thank you Doug for the compliment and no they wont be bred, ever.

I don't get drawn into these discussions because no one wins in the end, many are quick to whine and call others "mean" and others put alot of effort into linking to past discussions and the posts are usually only skimmed over - ignoring the time that went into them.

I don't mix, I don't support hybrids in the slightest - I'm a responsible keeper. I only want our hobby to grow and be a healthy hobby.

These discussions are just mindless circles of argument.


Thanks,
Hunter

Yes Hunter, I was referring to you. Obviously we've never met but you have a respectable rep and I'm glad the frogs made it into responsible hands. You're quite welcome.
These discussions are just mindless circles of argument.
I agree and I always mean to stay out of them and just sit back and watch. But then the OP always say something (I'm not going to say it), something that insists upon an answer. There! I even stayed P.C.

 

[Pumilo]

i don't think i've been arguing with people. i asked an honest question and got some pretty snide responses and some dueling between others i didn't respond to. my original question was why hybridization in other animals is not frowned upon like it is in dart frogs. it seems only natural to compare the views on hybridization in different hobbies and with other animals (and similar ones like snakes). you know it just as well as i do. you're just attacking me because you made a mistake and you need to save face.

i have no tried to start conflict, but when you attacked me like you did, i felt i had to correct you. i know you're trying to cover your own fail here by attacking me even more with your latest post, and i understand.

Does anybody else find this laugh out loud funny?

 

[Pumilo]

seems to me that you have been the one trying to cause conflict. every post you have made here has been a snide comment or attempt to start a flame war. you're first comment in here was an attempt to start something. sorry i offended you by asking a question, but please feel free to not respond to my posts from here on out.

It's not your thread. You posted on a public forum. My first comment in here was a comical heads up to you as to what was going to happen here. You are so obviously in this for the argument that it is comical, as has been pointed out by many. You claim that you want to learn but you throw the answers that are given you, back in the face of anyone who tries to help. People like you are detrimental to the hobby. Your posts reek of ignorance and you hardheaded attitude makes it obvious that you just want to argue.

 

[Pumilo]

Which is the definition of a Troll.

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You're right Scott. Sorry, that was about 2 sentences over the line.

 

[Pumilo]

I am bowing out now.....

I do believe I'll join you.