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Hi everyone :)

Ok, im new with pums, but have been reading a lot about them. I ordered some different locations from german(european frogger..) and a friend picked them up for me. I ordered 1.1. bastimentos, and i know they shouldnt look like this, but i just have to be very safe. The seller is a quite famous, "everyone knows" who he is because he has his own online shop and uses to go to the big fairs. Therefor im quite shocked that i got this, both animals are fine but i dont really think the orange one is a basti.. What location could it be, nancy or something? I guess i also have to seperate those two?


And the real basti(he is grey-ish)


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It is hard to see the attached pictures because of their size. Is there any way you can provide larger photos?
 

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Although its not a 100% accurate way to ID Bastis. Bastis will almost always have a white underside.

You first pic almost looks a little like it might be an 'El Dorado', but its hard to make a positive ID just from how the frog looks. Nancy/Solarte are normally have a smaller adult size than bastis. They also usually have white feet. 'El Dorado' are often a little larger than bastis, if that helps you at all.
 

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Ill linked bigger pictures now. This one has the same color everywhere, and no white belly. The seller said that it was supposed to be like this, but i have to be 100% sure, because it should be 1.1.
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I am fairly confident I know who you purchased these from...

Looking at the frog in question and referencing his recent stock lists I would say you have been "mistakenly" given a Bribri.

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Ill linked bigger pictures now. This one has the same color everywhere, and no white belly. The seller said that it was supposed to be like this, but i have to be 100% sure, because it should be 1.1.
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It is 100% not a Basti, so you can be sure.

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The orange one, i think it was supposed to be the female(but not sure) is a little bigger than the basti, and a little too big to be "just the female"... I think they both are grown ups but i cant be sure, so that leaves the solarte/nancy thought away, and el dorado seems more likely.
I dont think its a bribri, ive purchased a pair of bribri and they have complete different patterns.

It was no mistake, my friend stopped him and asked "are they supposed to be so different?" and he replyed "yes" .. If the case is what it seems to, its quite rotten to do it, when we are convinced that its 1.1. bastis.
Thanks for your help guys! :)
 

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The orangish one is very likely a Rio Teribe or possibly Vulture Point or Eldorado, mine Teribes looked exactly like yours, they are larger and mine were bold. Looking at those 2 frogs I would say you have a better chance winning the lottery then them both being a Basti.
 

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She/he is actually very bold too, and maybe something like a centimeter bigger than the real basti. But do the real basti looks good? Ive never seen so grey-ish bastis before, specially the backlegs.
It really sucked, buying a proven basti pair, but yeah.. Thanks :) !
Ill post some better photo of her soon, she is quite shy, but its important to find out which location she is!
 

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If the seller thinks it is a basti, I doubt you will ever know for sure which location it is.
Sounds like a messy/careless seller. Please try to resolve the issue and post a Vendor Feedback afterwards.
 

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I doubt i ever get a answear on it, because i´ve asked two times now, without answer..
I will see what i find out and then come back!
 

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Hello Bendick,

If I am in fact correctly guessing the seller (will confirm with you via pm if you wish) he has recently only had the following Pumilio morphs for sale - Nancy/Solarte, Bribri and Bastimentos.

The only reason I suggest the frog is Bribri is simply because this is the locale it best matches from what the seller currently has to offer.

Mark is right, the frog does look a lot like a Teribe but this seller has not stocked that particular Pumilio in recent months from what I can see.

You are completely right, if he is adamant this is a pair of Bastimentos then he is playing an absolute downright rotten game as you say! But this being said, I am not at all surprised...

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Yepp.
He also has some others that is not on the site, the bribri pair from him does not look like this one.. But maybe they have a vide variety of patterns and colors, the bribri pair of mine has the same pattern as some sylvaticas i think.
It is a shame that people play tricks like this, for what he could have known, i could have been breeding these( i bet they would, if theres 1.1...?) i do not have any former experience with him, but now i know..
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It seems like seller is determined that the orange one is a basti too, i now dont know who i should trust.. Anyways, i got a offer of changing my pair at the next big fair, so im going for that, although its a loong time too. I will come back with updates!
Thanks for all help guys, i know where i should go if something needs an answer! :)
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It can be hard to say for sure without all of the information about where it was collected.. Even then, who knows?

The following post was taken from an earlier thread on bastimentos. The author of the this post knows quite a bit more about them than I do. If you want to read the rest of the thread this post came from there is a link in the upper right corner of the post I linked here. http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/792733-post39.html

The point being that appearances can be deceiving. I still don't think you have a basti, but I am surely the least qualified person to answer that. Good luck.
 

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Thanks.

Ive talked to the seller, and asked what she really is(she is a she). And i get the only answer "she is a bastimentos. Someone are just red, with no white belly". I have also heard that its not a course that bastis have white belly/foot, only salt creek, i do not know if this is correct. Is it proper to let these 2, that the seller means is a basti, go together? I mean, if i end up with froglets thats not bastimentos, the seller can be in quite big problems. Is it ok to wait and find out, because maybe the only way to find out is to look on future offspring?
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I saw a yellow basti that didn't have a white belly. I was not able to get a good enough look to see if there were any white dots further down, but the throat and everything I could see was yellow. There were several others of various colors at the same table that just had bits and pieces of white . That is why in my original post in this thread I said they almost always have a white belly.
 
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