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Good points! I will post the new set up as soon as it s finished. If possible, I will try to apply the lights (my choice fell on LED) externally above the tank. Still praying for the hospitalized friend, since I got no call until now I take it as a good sign.

Tomorrow will be an early wake up and some rushing around all over the county. I managed to find some real specialist who should be able to help me with some emergency improvements.
 

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No news on the little fella so far, I guess he must be doing alright then.
To remodel the entire tank I got some puffed clay, above which I will put a layer of soil which, on top of which I plan on putting some pine bark and finishing it off with leafs which I'm about to go out and collect.
Anything I've been missing?
 

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Finally got the call from the university and its some mildly good news.

My little friend was able to eat two fruit flies yesterday, although with assistance. I have to pick him up tomorrow and will get taught how to help him fatten up again by force feeding him some calories rich pulp.
I was also told to keep them seperated in clear plastic containers without any furniture or plants, only a soaked ground so that it is easier to judge if and how much they have been eating. Doing this also allows me to easily collect some poop samples which I will send into a lab in Germany.

Still hoping for a christmas miracle!
 

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You mentioned that you use tap water. Unless you know the make-up of the water I would lean towards using distilled water if you have a local store that carries it.
 

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I just got the call, he did not make it through last night :( They are suspecting severe illnesses, I‘ll have him tested. Now it’s all about nursing the other back to health!
 

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Sorry to hear.

The advice on keeping him on a soaked ground is probably the worst advice they could give. Imo the soaky ground is what is (was) the big part of the problem for your frogs.

I can show you how I keep my offspring to give you an idea. They staat in that tank from when they hit land until they are 6months old and ready for a new home :
After 9-10 they have to be separarted or paired up to prevent agression. But the habitat stays the same..

What do you use as supplement?
 

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Thanks for the advice!

I got an autopsy done, apparently he was already full of worms when I got him and according to the vet there wasn't anything I could have done for him anyway :(

I got some anti-worm serum to aplly every two weeks, just got done with the first one. Now I'll collect some poop samples and send them in weekly. It looks like the remaining one has been eating today, since there aren't that many flies left. He will remain in quarantine for at least two weeks now (I'll be cleaning out his new huge quarantine box daily). That will give me time to redo the whole viv.
 

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For supplements I'm currently using the multivitamins from TerraVit and some calcium powder without any additional stuff from Reptiland.
 

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I want to point you out that worms are a sympton for stress. So you are doing good in completely redoing the enclosure 👍
 

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You did what you could and you followed directions expediently and communicated the circumstances clearly and intelligently. You went out of your way in a difficult time and even had a gross necrop. That is more than what happens to thousands and thousands of his kind.

I cannot count the times being called on to help that the struggle has been for clients to hmm and haw, about getting things they need or making excuses of time and money. Yet they have more than one car, the latest devices, etc etc etc.

I would advise you search function Rapashy supplements on dendroboard. Cal Plus, Vitamin A and Superpig are the trio that is has proven out to simplifying ones choices to a trustworthy ideal.

Im still rather taken aback by your attitude and engagement.

Very few shops approach aquisition and set up as the curated experience it needs to be.

Its a DIY and Im sure you will be great at it.
 

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Well, it looks like the supp you are presently using has a retinoid A as opposed to many usa brands that use beta carotene to avoid toxic overdose with larger taxa + copious use.

Which is good until you can get Rapashy. But you may want to double check ingredients.

There are specifics of powder retention and every feeding application that unlike other powders, was researched by Rapashy.
 

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Thank you all for the great help and the reassuring words!

I had a check on the fella in the quarantine box and it looks like he has been eating most of the flies I gave him yesterday. Couldn't find any poop so far but I'm trying not to stress him out too much. He's been active as always, hiding in the coco hut during night and hopping around during the day.

This is a huge relief for me. I managed to get off work until the 11th of January so I can help the little fella gain weight and finsih redoing his viv.
 

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Update: He absolutely annihilated the flies and is currently hunting again as I gave him some more recently. Also had good luck at collecting some poop samples. He seems to be doing way better than two days ago already.
 

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Inthink it might be wise to post a shot of the quarantaine tank
 

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I will post one tomorrow as his room is in 'nightmode' right now and I don't want to stress him out.
It is really bleak actually, but the vet insisted on me doing it this way so it can be easily cleaned out daily to avoid reinfection. Currently I have two large plastic boxes with airholes, where the ground is covered in slightly wet towels. Furthermore theres a coco hut and a water plate in each of them.
I was told to clean them out daily, so I'll just transfer the frog into the cleaned out tank every day and collect samples from the used one as well as putting the coco hut into the oven for some time to kill off any parasites or other dangers to his health.
 

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Had the great chance to watch him hunt earlier and my girl insists that he already put on weight, though my eyes are too bad to judge that. I'm currently dusting the flies everyday to get him back on track, when should I stop doing so?
 

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I will post one tomorrow as his room is in 'nightmode' right now and I don't want to stress him out.
It is really bleak actually, but the vet insisted on me doing it this way so it can be easily cleaned out daily to avoid reinfection. Currently I have two large plastic boxes with airholes, where the ground is covered in slightly wet towels. Furthermore theres a coco hut and a water plate in each of them.
I was told to clean them out daily, so I'll just transfer the frog into the cleaned out tank every day and collect samples from the used one as well as putting the coco hut into the oven for some time to kill off any parasites or other dangers to his health.
I would recommend not to transfer him at all. this will only stress him out more. I would only place LEAFLITTER in the querantinebox and keep the cocohut and the waterplate. If the frog does not use the waterplate, you are better of losing it.

There is a very very slim chance of anny form infection imo,rather there is only stress from living in incorrect setups. So basicly hostile enviroment for the frogs since the first day you put them into their setup..

I think your vet is giving you not much of good advice an it already cost you a fair amount of money. If you keep putting our frog to stress ( what your vet advices ) I think you will be losing this one aswell.

But ofcourse this is just my thoughts I base on my experience with Tinctorius, I would love to hear from other experienced keeprs on this topic.

as KMC already said, you are just trying to take best care possible so there is no blame or annything like that.
I think your doing everything you can,so I aplaud you for that.
 

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Thank you very much once more for your input!

Regarding the vets advice: It was based on the assumption that he has a worm infection as well which should be the reason for his recent weightloss. The way she explained it to me, the worms are in his poop and through this being just about everywhere, will spread to just about everywhere. In two or three days I am planning on shipping the first sample.
Next thing will be another treatment with the anti-worm serum in 13 days and then the shipment of another sample after that.
Regarding your input about the box: I was thinking the same, so I brought it up and she insisted on me doing it her way. From what I can judge for the two days he's been in the boxes, he seems to be moving around more than he used to and seems to be eating rather well, though I will only really allow myself to get my hopes up in two days, granted he keeps improving.
 

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I hope it keeps improving, too. :)

Curious: what kind of worms, and what drug for treatment?
 

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I checked on him this morning and his legs have gotten a bit fatter and he is moving around again, though he didn't eat most of his flies tonight (still proud of the ~30 he ate in the last two days).

I have no printed record of the exact kind of worms, but the vet mentioned nematodes. Current treatment is an Ivomec-solution which can be applied orally or absorbed through the skin.

I will be collecting leafs today and transfer him to a box with leaflitter as soon as I have enough samples to send in.
 
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