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As long as the slant of puddle doesnt surpass his shoulders it should be ok. You want to be able to wipe it out with a pad of paper towels.

The great thing about tipped puddle is that its easy for them to access and easy to maintain.
 

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You did good work. No matter what may happen, how you got everything you could together and explained everything, your work was good.
 

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I just checked on him and he was reactive to some degree, so he made it through the night.
Next step is getting him help from the vet and getting him the calcium he needs!
 

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Update: He is now at the university and they will try to nurse him back to healthy. He is still able to move around on his own from time to time, so feeding him with a special pastry. He will also get a calcium bath and his own UVB light there. The costs are 250€ (about 280 USD) so far for the whole treatment. The nurse will get a specialist to come by tomorrow and check on him. She described him as skin-and-bones with a substantial chance of dying, but it seems that theres also the possibility of him making a recovery.
 

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Thats fantastic to hear, you come back here with that there frog, ok?
 

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I think it will be helpfull for you to post some photo's of your enclosure since it's my guess I has a lot to do with the poor condition of the frog. Also the supplements you've been using die the frogs.

When I see the 'quarantine tank' I already get the chills tbh..
 

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I will hope for the best! I scheduled a twice daily call with the vets.

In the pics uploaded now I'll show you the main tank, you can even spot the larger frog thats still left in there.
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While the frog is away receiving clinical care its a hand of perfect timing to make changes.

Theres alot of stuff that the best meaning ppl get because its promoted for frog, even dart frog husbandry - with graphics of a dart frog on packaging and everything, who would think untrustworthy?

Dyes on moss, who knows what effect they chronically have? An unescapable sensate stressor is enough for me to pass. Fountains that light up and force a nocturnal tree frog to seek relief from its dry bark existance by soaking in an abstraction of twisted day and night cycle? Sprays with colorful jungle scenes that magically address nutritional needs with the press of a finger. And so much more.

I always find it vibrant and exceptional when someone cares enough about a little guy that they are willing to be vulnerable, inconvenienced, and make sacrifices with money, time. Add a circle of others wanting wellness for that same little guy, one of thousands that is cared for like this.

Its the best and you are too.
 

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I hope I catch your drift, any help would be appreciated! Luckily money is not an issue here. So far I have:

-a floor mostly covered with moss
-a tree bark hiding that both frogs used to occupy together
-a stone with holes drilled into, which used to be a favourite with the large one still left here
-a coconut house that hasn't been used at all
-some live plants, all non-toxic for the frogs
-a tree stump, which sadly keeps on getting mouldy, no matter how often or long I put it in the oven

Furthermore I have an automatic pump coupled to an hygrostat and some fans which I occasiaonally use, since they tend to significantly lower the humidity after a couple of minutes.

What else can be done to help the remaining one and prepare everything for the hospitalized one for when he returns?
 

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The large one, which had gotten fatter since arrival, lost some weight as well in the last week or so. Tomorrow I will get new earth and moss and remodel the whole housing. Anything else I should get? He still eats (last saw him doing so yesterday) and is moving around quite frequently. Any good ways of fattening him up while he still has the power to do so?
 

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It sounds like you might have to start from the beginning, however not knowing how much time you have you may not be able to use conventional adhesives in building a draining soil level.

Personally i dont think you should press it as far as detectible fumes. Not when he has returned from a homers odyssey of novel stressors.

Mitigating stress for fragile herps is an art form. Its halmarks are precaution and the prudent side to err.

So there may be a kind of halfway house modality to go with.

Im on my way to work in wifeys car.

You are in good hands with whos comin by
 

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Cheers mate! I took time off work for tomorrow and will only have to head in on tuesday this week. What can be done?

A seperate tiny tank for the little friend? An what about remodeling for the large fella?
 

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My decision so far: Tomorrow I'll put the large one into the transport box (I know it's horrible but it's an emergency measurement) and remodel the tank by installing two new side walls of cork and adding a layer of puffed clay underneath the new earth and moss which I will be getting as well. Anything I have been missing out?
 

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Earth and Moss are terrible substrate for dart frogs, your enclosure is simply to wet and not suited for them.

The lamp inside the terrarium is an absolutely 'GET IT OUT NOW!'


I sugguest you look up topics for how to setup terrariums for dart frogs fast. This tank is a deathtrap and will never be good for them.

I can give you a link of how I basicly setup my tanks : 70x50x65cm Vivarium Build.

Keep in mind that for Tinctorius you want a lot more dry spots and leaflitter! No water feautures for them.
 

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Earth and Moss are terrible substrate for dart frogs, your enclosure is simply to wet and not suited for them.

The lamp inside the terrarium is an absolutely 'GET IT OUT NOW!'


I sugguest you look up topics for how to setup terrariums for dart frogs fast. This tank is a deathtrap and will never be good for them.

I can give you a link of how I basicly setup my tanks : 70x50x65cm Vivarium Build.

Keep in mind that for Tinctorius you want a lot more dry spots and leaflitter! No water feautures for them.
Alright then! I will follow your advice! Looks like I've been duped by the local 'expert'. What is your recommendation for setting up the ground? I had a look through your thread and have a few questions coming up:

-where did you aquire your gravel?
-same for the leafs, in the woods?
I will be able to implement all the changes, the more detailed the suggestions, the more efficient I can work.

Thanks already for all the input!
 

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Your local aquarium or terrarium shop will have everything.

It shows in the build report. Pondfoam used as drainage layer. Than gravel and leaflitter. Make sure you can always drain all water.

Leaf just come from trees, i prefer magnolia I'm sure there are frog stores selling them aswell.


Also , don't use UV(b) lamps please. I've been keeping and breeding Tinctorius for 10 years perfectly without.
 

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I see. The issue I have is the following: the only frog store over here is where I got all the bad advice reagrading the setup. They don't really carry much stuff, most of my stuff I got from amazon.

Regarding the UVb lamp: Is there anything to replace it or should I just drop it alltogehter?
 

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As someone who has used them i would never apply it like that. Its a dimensional and controversal topic.

Your vet is using it to therapeutically expedite processes of bone and tissue development.

Do not use a led light or any light internally as well.
 
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