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Hello everbody!

I just made an account here after lurking for a longer time now since I'm having an emergency here.
I have two tincs which have been getting along rather well so far. One of them is about a year old and is doing fine.

The other, younger one is rather tiny and has been doing alright as well. But since the last couple days hes stopped eating and just now he stopped moving at all, even when provoked. I just transfered him into a seperate box which I use for transport. I put some fruit flies in there as well, so he might eat again.

Can anybody help me with caring for him? Any suggestions or help are appreciated!
 

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When I picked him up for transfer he still had some movement in him, and now in the box he is at least able to keep his head up. He has his legs stretched as far back as possible and in hasn't been reactive very much for the last day.
 

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As a first aid measure of support a micro managed spoonful of unflv pedialyte in a very shallow petri like container has been a standard in care. Its not problem specific, much like fluids care is applied in other animals, including ourselves in emergency situ.

Some will say amphibians ringers is better, but not always possible to make or order in a timely way.

Many stores carry it. On public forum im impelled to suggest it be optionally applied, in other words making sure he can leave the soak on his own volition.

There is a list of history questions at the forefront of the health problem section serving as protocol when asking for help, as well as providing encl and subject photo and or vid.
 
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Thank you very much! If he makes it through the night I'll try my best to find an open store (everythings colsed here on sunday). I will attach pictures as soon as I can.
 

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1. What species ? How long have you had the frog(s) and where did you acquire them ?
Tincs, one for about 2 months and the ill one for about a month. Got them both from a licensed dealer here.

2. What are your temperatures -day and night - highs and lows ? Are the enclosure lights too hot ?
Between 75 during the day and 70 at night.

3. What is the Humidity like ? - Percentage or guesstimate. What type of Water are you using? Describe your tank/enclosure and its lid or top.
Im using my tap water (mountain region) and have an average of 85% humidity. Last couple days my tank had higher as well. Tank has ventilation at the top and one at the front

4. What kind of food are you providing, how much and are you dusting it ? What superfine powdered supplements are you using and are they fresh ?
Food is fruit flies, I dusted them only once so far with calcium and vitamins.

5. Any other animals in the enclosure currently or recently ? Tankmates / other frogs ?
Only one other frog in there, theyve been getting along really well so far

6. Any type of behaviour you would consider 'odd' ?
Last days he had been hiding, yesterday he started getting towards the glass front and started staring at me. Hes been lying around for most of today now.

7. Have you handled or touched the frogs recently ? Any cleansers, paint, perfumes, bug sprays etc near the tank ?
Only touched him today to move him out of the tank

8. Can you take pictures of EVERYTHING ? The frogs, the enclosure ? Take numerous pics of everything - that will be of great help.
Pics will be provided as soon as I figure out how I do it.
 

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This is his current emergency housing (without the lid of course). I sprayed him once again with some warm water, he moved a little after a couple of pumps.

Regarding the Pedialyte: Is it something I can buy in a pharmacy? These are the only places open right now and tomorrow (I'm situated in central Europe).

Big thanks to any help!
 

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Yeah dont spray him with warm water. Just room temp. What is warm water to our
mammalian hand can be a stressor and hazard.

When frogs are compromised their regulatory functionality is also compromised. ie; Killing them with water kindness. So dont drench the frog. A Q contact75 % with a shallow pedialyte puddle has saved WC darts that looked like your frog.

ARAV veterinary connect is imperative.
 
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It would be nice to put a tent of leaf in there or close replicant.

Pharmacies carry it. Sometimes unflv is harder to come by. After you open it put it in the fridge. Pour amount needed in a paper or plastic cup a short time before use to knock the chill off.
It needs to be changed a few times a day whether it looks soiled or not but not so often that your preventing rest disturbing the frog with regular container manipulation.

Find ARAV vet near you.
 
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Thank you so so so much for your help!

Update so far: I managed to score the local equivalent of pedialyte and applied some onto him with a dropper (quite a lot actually, like 60ml) and also got some calciumcarbonate since everything else is out of stock here. I'm currently mixing a solution of that as well and plan to apply it with a dropper. He has shown movement and tried to escape, this issue that I have been able to observe is the following:
He is dragging his legs behind him and can't jump properly - is it a clacium deficit?
Also opened his box up a bit since I sprayed way too much water in there.

My big question is: Is dropping the solutions onto him enough or does he need a proper puddle?
In case of the puddle: Is filling a bottle cap enough?

Thanks once more for the help!
 

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4. What kind of food are you providing, how much and are you dusting it ? What superfine powdered supplements are you using and are they fresh ?
Food is fruit flies, I dusted them only once so far with calcium and vitamins.
To clarify: you have only dusted their prey once in two months? If so, it is a calcium deficit, and will need vet care to correct. Dusting is typically done on all prey items at every feeding, especially for younger growing animals.

Since you're in the EU I assume you're using Dendrocare or Repashy Calcium Plus?
 

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Yes that is correct. I was instructed to do so by the local 'specialist', thanks for clarifying that.
Finding an available vet over here is next to impossible, but I will try to use my contacts at the veterinarian university!
Once again thank you very very much for the help!
 

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Sometimes a gentle tilt to the Q container cleared on one end a couple inches, using a small slat or book edge for a narrow gulley of shallow water or ped, works well. You just wipe out the water with a paper towel and replace. I have found that uniform contact overwetting does not have as good outcomes as managing gradients that will allow a dart frog to find a respite away from uniform wetness as long as he is still mobile and shows organized movement. Even if weak.

Thats been my experience. Cant say for others
 
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Alright then! I have managed to secure a contact with the responsible doctor for amphibians at the university and will contact them tomorrow (its 11:30pm here), assuming the little fella is still alive by then!

Just so that I understand your comment correctly (English isn't even my second language): Should I clear out some space in the container on one end and put some pedialyte into it while keeping the container permanently in a tilted state?
 

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I have found the most succes with not treating a deficiency until electrolites are stabilized.
The course of events i have been trained and used is carefully applying Levels of support.

Fluids
Calories
Vitamins and Calcium.

If you apply the second and third before the first has a chance to create its platform you tax the organs responsible for their metabolism.

Calcium, vitamins and proteins require work from kidneys and liver.

Just what i have found to work well.

A good period of regaining fluids balance. Which is case by case. Im uncomfortable getting more detailed in this format.
 
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I get your point. In this case I will further dillute the pedialyte and give the little frog the chance to soak in it on its own accord. Luckily I waited for your reply before applying the calcium! I will be heading off to bed soon, hoping that he will make it until the expert can see him.
Its been a long night for me now, once again thanks for all the kind help!
 

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I cant give you a dose but i will just say that diluting it too much defeats the purpose. However i dont know what your using.
 
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Last post for now (sorry for all the spam) :(

I followed the instructons and set up the box with a puddle. While doing this he started moving again, more than all day so far, and is currently sticking on the wall of the box. :)

My fear is way smaller now since seeing the little fella climbing around a little bit.

To clear up the things I left unanswered due to my panic:

-I am using Normolyt right now as the local equvalent of pedialyte.
-For supplements I am using Terravit, both vitamin and calcium

I wish a great day (or night) to all of you!
 

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60 ml is overkill extraordinaire, my worried friend.

He just needs to soak his tummy. If you make the moss wet with it, it encourages bacteria.
 
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Well thats goood news. Theres alot of other guys here to fill the spaces about supplements brands. I chose to focus on the 'Stat' of restorative ER. Its a common tendency to go on full force attack and inundate with resources but patience, delicacy and observing effect has presented be the best approach. It really has.
 
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