Testing let me know what you think

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kyle1745

Discussion Starter · Jun 3, 2004

Ok I am borrowing a friends Digital Rebel for the weekend, and I have been testing it on my frogs. I may purchase one in the near future. Let me know what you think:

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kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #21 · Jun 4, 2004

Re: flash sync speed

So far the flash on the 300D is all that I don;t care for. Its just not that great. The built in one on my Sony is a ton better. I have just taken a few pics with the 100mm macro, and am downloading them now. We will see, but I am not been impressed with the very shallow DOF that it normally gives. I should know more in a few.

yuri said:
Canon 300D / Digital Rebel flash sync speed is 1/200

Canon 10D flash sync speed is also 1/200

The sync speed is one thing, flash duration is another. The more power a flash uses, the longer the flash duration, the less power a flash uses the shorter the flash duration. However, for practicaal purposes, on these cameras, the flash duration is much shorter the flash sync speed, so this is a non issue. Any movement should be frozen, unless you are photographing bullets.

There are also hacks available that make some of the features disabled on the Digital Rebel available (disabled so as not to take away sales from the 10D).

The Canon EF 100 macro is outstanding, and is one of the sharpest lense in the lineup. It is not that hard to make a sharp macro lens, and they definitely nailed this one.

I use both the 10D and the EF 100 macro.

yuri

· #22 · Jun 4, 2004

Digital Rebel issues

Just out of curiousity, what issues are there with the Digital Rebel vs. 10D?

yuri

· #23 · Jun 4, 2004

shallow depth of field and flash

The shallow depth of field can be easily altered, stop down the lens. The built in flashes are usually not useful for anything but 'grab' shots - snapshots if you will.

For serious macro work you need to get an external flash - either a hot shoe flash(es) (with cords to move it from the top of the camera) or a studio flash(es).

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #24 · Jun 4, 2004

Re: Digital Rebel issues

to me 10D is just $500 more for features I will not use or can get with a hacked firmware.

yuri said:
Just out of curiousity, what issues are there with the Digital Rebel vs. 10D?

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #25 · Jun 4, 2004

Re: shallow depth of field and flash

Ya the built in flash is not that great. I would most likely pick up a ring flash.

yuri said:
The shallow depth of field can be easily altered, stop down the lens. The built in flashes are usually not useful for anything but 'grab' shots - snapshots if you will.

For serious macro work you need to get an external flash - either a hot shoe flash(es) (with cords to move it from the top of the camera) or a studio flash(es).

yuri

· #26 · Jun 4, 2004

300D vs 10D

Kyle,

Not sure if you have been tracking the prices, but the prices of both recently dropped for the first time.

The 300D is selling for $830 body only, $70 drop

and the 10D is selling for $1380 body only, a $120 drop

Prices are from reputable dealer in NYC and similar price from a reputable dealer in Atlanta.

Either way, both have the same CMOS sensor, same Digic processor, so you get the quality.

Yuri

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kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #27 · Jun 4, 2004

Re: 300D vs 10D

Oh ya, been all over the prices for some time. I can get the 300D kit shipped for $839.

I'm still thinking on it and trying some things.

yuri said:
Kyle,

Not sure if you have been tracking the prices, but the prices of both recently dropped for the first time.

The 300D is selling for $830 body only, $70 drop

and the 10D is selling for $1380 body only, a $120 drop

Prices are from reputable dealer in NYC and similar price from a reputable dealer in Atlanta.

Either way, both have the same CMOS sensor, same Digic processor, so you get the quality.

Yuri

G

· #28 · Jun 5, 2004

PURE SWEETNESS!

Those are some of the sharpest PDF pics I'v ever seen!

I'v been looking at the digital Rebel, I'v got the lenses from my 35mm rebel, now you've made me want to get off the nice chunk of change to get it!

Great pics!

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #29 · Jun 5, 2004

I'm still thinking about it, i'm in no rush. I've been very happy with my currect camera. The rebel is a nice camera, overall images can be a bit dark out of it, along with a couple other minor issues.

Leif said:
PURE SWEETNESS!

Those are some of the sharpest PDF pics I'v ever seen!

I'v been looking at the digital Rebel, I'v got the lenses from my 35mm rebel, now you've made me want to get off the nice chunk of change to get it!

Great pics!

G

· #30 · Jun 5, 2004

I guess my eye is not as discriminating as yours, the pics looked great.

As long as the issues are "minor" and the fact that I already have I nice EOS lense set I'm still leaning stongly towards a digital Rebel body. But I'm not out to win any photography awards either!

And I say that very respectfully....

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #31 · Jun 5, 2004

I would also offer this advice. Don't pass on the kit, the kit lens is very nice , and sharp for the money.

Don't take me the wrong way either its a great camera, but I take mostly frog pictures and do not have any lenses to start with. I'll be looking at almost $2000 to get a little better than what I already have. At least for the frog pictures. Now other thing are night and day better, but they also take lenses that cost $450.

Check out some out of my current camera on my site below:

Leif said:
I guess my eye is not as discriminating as yours, the pics looked great.

As long as the issues are "minor" and the fact that I already have I nice EOS lense set I'm still leaning stongly towards a digital Rebel body. But I'm not out to win any photography awards either! And I say that very respectfully....

G

· #32 · Jun 5, 2004

"Now other thing are night and day better, but they also take lenses that cost $450." I don't quite understand that sentence....

Yes, I'v seen all your other pics and they are all great. I guess I was so excited about these particular ones because they were taken with a camera that I'm looking at.

Thanks for the Q&A BTW

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #33 · Jun 5, 2004

Understand, yes its a nice camera for the money. If you have the lenses, I'd say jump on it. I may get one myself, but still thinking. Been thinking for awhile too...

Leif said:
"Now other thing are night and day better, but they also take lenses that cost $450." I don't quite understand that sentence....

Yes, I'v seen all your other pics and they are all great. I guess I was so excited about these particular ones because they were taken with a camera that I'm looking at.

Thanks for the Q&A BTW

skinnybonedog

· #34 · Jun 5, 2004

Someone might be interested

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/101428

Tammy

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #35 · Jun 5, 2004

Thanks tammy..

I'm still thinking on making the jump... Maybe i'm just thinking too much about it.

skinnybonedog said:
Someone might be interested

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/101428

Tammy

skinnybonedog

· #36 · Jun 5, 2004

Kyle,

I think you could be happier with the model up from the Rebel...my boss has the Rebel and while he loves it, he is also the cheapest man around and would not even think of spending more on a camera....to me the Rebel feels extremely cheaply made (I played with his Rebel at work)...you also need look at long term use. Of course it has not been out that long so no one really knows. I think the extra bucks you would spend would give you those features you feel you won't use....mainly it will give you a better built camera that would last you longer (digitals do not last forever like film cameras). I would not have gotten the Nikon D70 if there has been something in between it and the pro models (the D100 is on the way out and was two years behind the D70 in technology)....but the D70 is better made that the Rebel...and when they upgrade the D100 I will probably get it and sell the D70. It does not feel bad but it is no F100 or F5.

Just do it Kyle...even if it is the Rebel...if you love it you can upgrade later....I LOVE my digital SLR!

Tammy

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kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #37 · Jun 5, 2004

So many people telling me just that. The only feature I would miss from the 10D is the FEC, which there is a hack for the rebel. I think I would be better off spending the extra $500 on lenses, than on the body. My goal if I do upgrade is to replace it next year with the rumored D3. Or the 10D MII. Neither of which is out yet, or even public information. All just rumors. If I was a pro, or making money on my pictures I would just go for the 1D MII and never look back. If I build up some lenses making the move to something higher will not hurt as bad.

I'm overthinking it thats for sure, but also not really in a rush. Canon may have announcments soon on what could be out later this year.

skinnybonedog said:
Kyle,

I think you could be happier with the model up from the Rebel...my boss has the Rebel and while he loves it, he is also the cheapest man around and would not even think of spending more on a camera....to me the Rebel feels extremely cheaply made (I played with his Rebel at work)...you also need look at long term use. Of course it has not been out that long so no one really knows. I think the extra bucks you would spend would give you those features you feel you won't use....mainly it will give you a better built camera that would last you longer (digitals do not last forever like film cameras). I would not have gotten the Nikon D70 if there has been something in between it and the pro models (the D100 is on the way out and was two years behind the D70 in technology)....but the D70 is better made that the Rebel...and when they upgrade the D100 I will probably get it and sell the D70. It does not feel bad but it is no F100 or F5.

Just do it Kyle...even if it is the Rebel...if you love it you can upgrade later....I LOVE my digital SLR!

Tammy

skinnybonedog

· #38 · Jun 5, 2004

Kyle,

Yeah, I waited and waited for Nikon to make anouncements too...and you know what..you can wait forever because with digital right now there will always be something better around the bend. Alot of shooting time was lost for me by waiting....great photos could have been lost. So I jumped in and got what would work for now and am a shooting fiend and am not losing any more shots....if you have $4500 get the markII...at least I will get one for work in a few months.

...but if not, get the Rebel and start shooting and always shoot RAW.

Tammy

kyle1745

Discussion Starter · #39 · Jun 5, 2004

I know, exactly what I plan to do. I do still have my Sony, but will be selling it to get another lens.

skinnybonedog said:
Kyle,

Yeah, I waited and waited for Nikon to make anouncements too...and you know what..you can wait forever because with digital right now there will always be something better around the bend. Alot of shooting time was lost for me by waiting....great photos could have been lost. So I jumped in and got what would work for now and am a shooting fiend and am not losing any more shots....if you have $4500 get the markII...at least I will get one for work in a few months. ...but if not, get the Rebel and start shooting and always shoot RAW.

Tammy

G

· #40 · Jun 6, 2004

The lack of ability to turn down the sharpening is to obvious for me.

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