I'm not sure of the specific lineage, i'll find out from the breeder who's quite prominent on here (UK) 'Mworks'. What makes you draw that conclusion out of interest?I don't know the name but I've got some of that too - from Scott Menigoz at last December's MADS meeting. It's a beautiful looking climber, but once it gets going it can get crazy .
Gex - those look like "Frye" line yellow terribilis. Am I right?
Yes they are, stunning frogs - I have a really poor video recorded on my phone of one of the males calling, tempted to upload it.They from Mworks? Stunning frogs love how terribilis "pose".
Cissus Amazonica. Once established it goes mad though - be warned!damn what is that big vine in the center? loving it!
CorrectI think the vine is Cissus amazonica
CheersVery nice! Great looking tank and frogs.
I didn't know you weren't in the US. My comment only applies if you are. Over here they've got only 1 real line of yellow terribilis, and it came from Europe. Yours look just like them, hence my comment, that's all.I'm not sure of the specific lineage, i'll find out from the breeder who's quite prominent on here (UK) 'Mworks'. What makes you draw that conclusion out of interest?
CheersBeautiful pictures and set-up!
CheersGreat snaps mate.
May I ask how old they are?
I picked up 4 of these wee beasts from Graham and Marcus in early November.
They are all past a year now, and despite my huge 3 year old Male calling up a storm none want to reveal their sexs as yet...
Historically there were few exports (illegal or legal) from Colombia, so the real terribilis that we have are likely all descended from very few groups. The yellow terribilis and orange terribilis (not sure about mints but probably them as well) in the US came from Europe, so we're all in the same boat.Only one real line John?
Care to elaborate?
I'd say the same goes for the UK mate.
As of late I've been seeing tonnes of suspect Terribilis which I'm almost 100% sure are the result of Yellows and Mints being housed together.
My yellows did not lay eggs for the first time until they were 18-19 months old. They didn't produce viable eggs until they were 21-22 months old. So you have some waiting to do. Petri dishes under coconut huts seem to work fine. Mine have only laid outside a couple of times, and always on a large aroid leaf.The male calls an awful lot, and while the females seemingly react by increased movement, no courtship has been witnessed so far.
Can I ask what the ideal spawning sites are for these guys? I've got a couple of petri dishes with minimal - no water underneath the 'huts'.
You don't need to convince me...here are two of the trio I bought almost three years ago, one with a giant goiter, and the other a crooked spine. I'd say some outbreeding is in order.Over here they've got only 1 real line of yellow terribilis...
Obviously, if frogs are displaying genetic defects the first thing one should do is breed them with a different locality frog.You don't need to convince me...here are two of the trio I bought almost three years ago, one with a giant goiter, and the other a crooked spine. I'd say some outbreeding is in order.
Yeah, you're probably right. I am considering trading this frog...If I decide to, I'll put her in the Trading Post.Obviously, if frogs are displaying genetic defects the first thing one should do is breed them with a different locality frog.
I understand that for many frogs (not just the Yellow terribilis) there were few exports of that frog providing a small founding population and few unrelated frogs. However, a main contributor to inbreeding is people selling and buying siblings as "pairs" and breedable. Instead of throwing some mints in with your single viable Yellow terribilis, perhaps you should consider getting some additional Yellows from different sources. Same locality, but different enough genetics (likely) to provide healthy offspring for at least a few generations.