this is true i dont want to know about my business i want to know about me.
I guess better words would be about me and not the company. Everyone knows i did horrible things ten years ago. Unfortunetly some people wont let it die and like to use other excuses to say negative things.
for example frog flipping.....of course i flip frogs but that doesnt mean i dont breed them as well. I would also like to mention it doesnt mean that i dont care. I didnt sell one frog for 6-7 years because i didnt deserve to. i did keep them and donated a lot of frogs locally. It also helped me to grow into a better person. This is why I started this thread! I want everyone to voice the good and bad and when it happened. I guess in order to do that fairly i will create a thread on fauna. I will post it tomorrow when i have time.
I would also like to thank everyone because even negative criticism helps me grow.
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Taron,
Almost all of the information I have about you is second hand. That doesn't give me a lot to form an opinion with. However, every second hand opinion I've heard, and thus the little information that I _do_ have to form an opinion, has been negative (makes sense to me... unless something is _really_ exceptional, people don't tend to accentuate the positive).
The one piece of first hand information I have is when I PM'd you about the slim possibility that, all things looking good, I might get some frogs from you I never heard anything back. Then I talked to a local about it and he reminded me that it was, indeed, your screen name that had come up in the past and I figured I'd cut my losses.
Here's what you've gotta understand. You may very well be a different person than the one you were when you did whatever horrible things you did.... But that doesn't change the fact that you did them. And it's not something people are likely to forget. The other thing is, people (most people) don't know _you_. They know your business. They know how you run it, how you treat your customers, so it's pretty unreasonable to ask people to make a distinction between you and your business when all of your posts and all of your transactions are representative of both you _and_ your business.
If you want some advice to help you "grow," here's mine. When you screw up in a major, and especially a public, way, it takes a long, long time for people to get over it. And after that, anyone you may have screwed, or were friends with people you may have screwed, or knew someone you may have screwed, will keep high tabs on you and will subject all of your actions and transactions to severe scrutiny. You're not going to overcome the negative opinions of other people by being a decent guy or running a decent business. You're going to overcome the negativity by providing service of an _incredibly_ high quality. You're going to provide fat (not obese), healthy, immaculate, disease free frogs (even wild caught frogs should be disease (parasite) free). You're going to make sure that sellers know exactly what you're planning on doing with their frogs (it doesn't matter whether or not flipping frogs is ethical, if you've screwed up in a significant way in the past, someone's going to find a way to put a negative spin on it unless you've gotten express permission from the seller to flip those frogs). You're going to provide hobbyists that you sell to with hobby sanctioned information (not the kind of information that frogface mentioned).
If you're able to do that, you're going to slowly win friends. If you're not then every minor screw up is going to get passed around (even without vendor feedback being sanctioned on the board) and... well... we've seen what has happened to frog businesses over the past year who _didn't_ have shady reputations....
Those are my thoughts.... I've actually enjoyed my time away from the Thunderdome over the past couple of months. So I think I shall take my leave once again.
