Tank Downsizing

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Nate

Discussion Starter · Jun 20, 2011 (Edited)

Now that it is summer I actually have time to devote to my frogs... I've noticed that my leuc is still fairly small and I'm attributing this to him being in a 29 tall and having a hard time catching some flies. This is leading me to set up a 5-10 gallon for him so it's easier to hunt and just not get lost in the vivarium. This also leads me to wonder wether downsizing is healthy in general without cramping the frogs? Less ground means less area to hunt for the little ones and even the bigger frogs, but would it also encourage mating? I have 4 azureus that have been with me for 3 (almost 4) years but haven't mated once. Any experiences/input on downsizing the tank size is appreciated!

-Nathan

Edit: Also in about two years what has changed in the world of frogging? I've been out of the hobby for a while...

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dendrobates

· #2 · Jun 20, 2011

I would try adding some isopods to the 29. They will supply a second food source for your leuc and reduce his dependency on ff's.

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JasonE

· #3 · Jun 20, 2011

Try some banana slices to keep your ff in a concentrated area. Also, make sure you have some springtails in there. Those, the small isopods, and the banana station should offer him plenty of food to find. As far as smaller tanks. I don't really know. I have a group of 4 Costa Rican auratus in a 30 gal breeding. I have a pair of azureus in a ten gallon breeding. And another pair of azureus in an 18x18x24 exo breeding. So, those are all smaller tanks to me. Obviously not too small in my opinion. I have a pair of cobalts in a 20h, that have only laid one clutch in 6 months. I don't think tank size matters all that much, as long as it's big enough for the number of frogs in there.

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frogmanchu

· #4 · Jun 21, 2011

Spring tails and isopods or the way to go with all tanks. You can add a few more flies then normal and see if that helps also. With the azureus you might have all female, or the females are eating each others eggs. Pair them off and see what happens.

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Nate

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jun 21, 2011

JasonE said:
Try some banana slices to keep your ff in a concentrated area. Also, make sure you have some springtails in there. Those, the small isopods, and the banana station should offer him plenty of food to find. As far as smaller tanks. I don't really know. I have a group of 4 Costa Rican auratus in a 30 gal breeding. I have a pair of azureus in a ten gallon breeding. And another pair of azureus in an 18x18x24 exo breeding. So, those are all smaller tanks to me. Obviously not too small in my opinion. I have a pair of cobalts in a 20h, that have only laid one clutch in 6 months. I don't think tank size matters all that much, as long as it's big enough for the number of frogs in there.

I used to do the typical banana slices/fruit but I found that using babyfood is easier to store/put into the tank. I just take a spoonful and dump it in water bottle caps and place it in the viv... the azureus like this but not so much with the leuc who prefers hiding in a mess of rabbits foot fern.
I used to have springtails in both my tanks but I'm not really sure what really happened to them, they just don't seem to be their anymore I really should introduce them again, any other isos to put in? I heard of people trying roly-polies before...
As for the frogs eating each others eggs I have actually never thought of this... I'll keep an I eye out now just in case- thanks!

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JasonE

· #6 · Jun 21, 2011

Peace said:
I used to do the typical banana slices/fruit but I found that using babyfood is easier to store/put into the tank. I just take a spoonful and dump it in water bottle caps and place it in the viv... the azureus like this but not so much with the leuc who prefers hiding in a mess of rabbits foot fern.
I used to have springtails in both my tanks but I'm not really sure what really happened to them, they just don't seem to be their anymore I really should introduce them again, any other isos to put in? I heard of people trying roly-polies before...
As for the frogs eating each others eggs I have actually never thought of this... I'll keep an I eye out now just in case- thanks!

Baby food. That's a novel idea. I actually don't do the feeding stations in my vivs since all my frogs are adults and don't have trouble depleting my microfauna, and hunting for flies. As far as isopods, I go to Buy live pet insect tarantula, spider, millipede, centipede, and pet bugs. They sell a variety of smaller isos. I like the jungle micropods. They're small enough for pretty much any frog to eat (except maybe thumbs) and they produce well in the vivs. I also bought one of the larger types so I could guarantee to always have isopods in there to break down debri and eat the vitamin powder that gets in the cage. Occasionally I have to go through and kill/pull some of the larger ones, as breeding can get out of hand if the frogs don't find the young ones quick.

As far as egg eating, I had this with a trio of azureus and had to split them up and get another male. Look for the jelly without any eggs. That's how I discovered it.

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