[Paul G]

Ok, so I came across these pics today while on Facebook today.
These are two Patricia tincs that look like they have SLS to me....I tried to question the person who bred them to help troubleshoot as I thought it might be the angle of the picture and they are very new to breeding PDFs but instead got my comments deleted and a notification on FB that I had threatened someone.

Just curious for some input from others.

 

[Paul G]

True.
I usually don't get into these matters but I thought maybe I could help as when they added me on FB I knew they were very new to PDFs. I admit posting here was a little of a kneejerk reaction but I was disturbed that they reported me as I was not being hostile or confrontational about it.

The pictures aren't ideal, but it could be spindly leg.. since the legs do look out of proportion. Different angles are needed for a definite diagosis. If they don't want help, (which is what I would take from the response) why bother coming here and asking? All your going to do is fire up someone who is going to rant about it on FB...

Ed

 

[Paul G]

Thats what I figured. (selling the frog)
They are a pretty large company with close to 5,000 FB friends and specialize in ball python morphs, Bearded Dragon morphs and most recently they now claim to specialize in dart frogs. (tincs only)

They sent me a message that was really nice not too long ago thanking me for help but they still don't seem convinced there is anything wrong with the frog but they admitted it looks somewhat different than other frogs from the same breeding.

They also claimed that they didn't delete my comments on the pics or report me. They said it must have been someone else on their friends list. That doesn't sound like something someone can do to anothers profile but whatever.

They are not a member of DB to my knowledge.

Maybe the person was aiming to still sell this poor example and considered you a threat toward that success. Were you trying to be helpful? Sure, no doubt. Would I have done the same on FB? Absolutely. We should look to help other hobbiests when we see something may be wrong with a frog, viv, etc. It is a shame people would rather silence opposition, rather than take the advice, and, assuredly, NOT sell that froglet. Good for you for trying to do the right thing.

Is this FB member a member here? The reason I asked, is I would watch out for them selling froglets here, and avoid someone getting a terrible deal on a dying froglet... Thanks for the info!

JBear

 

[Paul G]

In no way did/do I think Paul did the wrong thing by pointing it out. What I think may be a problem was making the post here since it often results in "a dog pile on the rabbit" scenario with the negative responses on Facebook or elsewhere so negative that they never get the education that is needed to resolve the problem.... That can drive/prevent newer frog people from the forums...

Ed

I totally know what you were getting at Ed and I was hesitant to post it at first but was angered at the time.

Also, SLS was the first thing that popped in my head and didn't think of other issues that might be going on right away.
Truthfully, I had bad group of froglets (4) come from the first breeding from one of my azureus pairs years ago. Half of the frogs had SLS and the other half looked just like the frogs pictured above with the cranial deformation. All frogs perished in the first week after morphing.

 

[Paul G]

They finally admitted that something is wrong with the frog. They said it appeared weaker than the other froglets. They also said this was the first PDF breeding for them ever.

All and all...I guess whatever.
I just don't think I would be proudly displaying the pics and giving people info of when the frogs will be available for sale. (Especially seeing that all the general herp people don't know there is anything wrong with frog pictured.)