Sipaliwini Savannah?
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It looks a LOT like my cobalt tincs, but that is not to say that it is. These are fairly common and you can usually find them from a fellow forum member.
Ive only been in the hobby for about a year, but he looks spot on to my 3 at home. a quick google search or look at the frogs by species section on the board should help you out.
Someone with more experience will chime in.
Ive only been in the hobby for about a year, but he looks spot on to my 3 at home. a quick google search or look at the frogs by species section on the board should help you out.
Someone with more experience will chime in.
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ps Sipaliwini savannah is a geographic location in Surinam, Brazil, though there are Blue Sipaliwini frogs, that are also Tincs.
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It is a geographic location but also the name of the morph I believe. Just like Koetari river morph. Or the morph named after a woman who brought back the Patricia morph in 99. I am no expert that's why I am asking. I appreciate the insite though. Glad to have fellow froggers.
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I have heard of Sip frogs, but to my knowledge Sip Savannah is not a frog, just the location. Blue sipaliwini, Green sipaliwini, and Yellow sipaliwini are ones that I have seen. Great looking frogs.
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The sip savanah is an actual morph, and a picture can be found on sean stewert's site. This frog looks to be a suriname cobalt to me, which have recently flooded the market with recent imports.
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On sean's Stewarts webpage ^^ it looks exactly like the sip savannah line. Not enough yellow in it to be a cobalt. The guy who sold it to me seemed pretty convincing that it was a sip savannah. I am hoping it is but thus far for everyone's input I am leaning towards cobalt.
On sean's Stewarts webpage ^^ it looks exactly like the sip savannah line. Not enough yellow in it to be a cobalt. The guy who sold it to me seemed pretty convincing that it was a sip savannah. I am hoping it is but thus far for everyone's input I am leaning towards cobalt.
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There are such things as true sips, but they are very rare and only a handful around. I think the last froglets went for like $400 each. That is way more like a cobalt, and the amount of yellow can vary as well as how bright it is due to several factors. Cobalt tincs are from the sipaliwini area, but are not rare in the hobby at all. Still "rare" in perspective I suppose just since dart frogs are not kept as commonly as many other herps.Frogs main
On sean's Stewarts webpage ^^ it looks exactly like the sip savannah line. Not enough yellow in it to be a cobalt. The guy who sold it to me seemed pretty convincing that it was a sip savannah. I am hoping it is but thus far for everyone's input I am leaning towards cobalt.
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It is most likely a Cobalt from the recent imports, which were collected in the Sipaliwini area (a very large region with many different tinc morphs). Definitely not a True Sip, if anyone let go of adults they would be a very pricey frog, not something readily available to a casual buyer.
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I've seen tincs such as cobalts and azureus go for around $80-110 at pet stores, but from hobbyists/ breeders you can usually find them for about $30-40.
I don't think you got "ripped-off" because it wasn't sold as a true sip, just from the sipaliwini area, correct?
Either way, tinctorius are great frogs and I'm sure you will continue to enjoy him/her.
Good luck,
Bryan
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No the guy told me it was a true sip. I sure payed the price for the pair. If you must know I dropped 350 per frog. I have many other darts but these two were supposed to be the prize of my collection of all my animals I own. Thanks for all the input Bryan. But maybe know you see why I am wondering if this one is a true sip? kicking myself in the ass right about now.
kicking myself in the ass right about now.
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You paid $700.00 for 2 froglets from "Clyde peelings Reptileland" in Pennsylvania ?No the guy told me it was a true sip. I sure payed the price for the pair. If you must know I dropped 350 per frog. I have many other darts but these two were supposed to be the prize of my collection of all my animals I own. Thanks for all the input Bryan. But maybe know you see why I am wondering if this one is a true sip?
Do you know the name of the"breeder" ? Is he a member of a Dart Frog forum ?
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Breeder is a guy by the name of Adam Richmond and claims he works/close relation to Clyde. He claims he supplies Clyde as well as other reptile facilities. His big claim is his sales to the exhibit chorus of colors. I don't believe Adam is a member of this forum.
If you purchased them from Adam, then you didn't get them from Clyde Peeling's Reptile Land... If you had you would have been provided with paperwork in accordance with the AZA's requirements to tranfer animals to the public (and AZA has issues with money changing hands). Now it may be true that the person works for or with Reptile Land, but the frogs aren't being sold by Reptile Land.. If you don't believe me contact Reptile Land and ask them directly.
As noted above the Sipaliwini Savannah is a large area and has a number of different populations that show differences in coloration and patterning ranging from azureus to sipaliwini to the various cobalts and other forms..
Any reason in particular that you aren't asking the person where you got them, the actual "morph"?
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Looks like a really nice Cobalt to me. (maybe not $350/ea. nice)
I found some decent pics of some Sipaliwini Savannah/True sips a year or so back while surfing the net only to find that the pics belong to a member on here. (cannot remember the name for the life of me. Frogger on the west coast)
I was told the frogs in the pics were of offspring directly from Sean Stewart's Sipaliwini Savannah tincs.
I found some decent pics of some Sipaliwini Savannah/True sips a year or so back while surfing the net only to find that the pics belong to a member on here. (cannot remember the name for the life of me. Frogger on the west coast)
I was told the frogs in the pics were of offspring directly from Sean Stewart's Sipaliwini Savannah tincs.
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Thanks for that info Ed. I had no idea they would have papers on them. I did ask him and he is claiming it's a true and rare sip. I saw the pair he has and they looked almost exact to that of thE one on Stewarts page. I posted the link to that page earlier. I thought I would get many opinions on here cause now that she is over a year old I have a few doubts, but also can see the similarities as well to a true sip. As far as getting a hold of Adam I have not been able to. I am hoping that by tomorrow I can get clarification from him. Thanks to everyone on here for all the info and help. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
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Hi Qrich,
If you knew that they were sold to you as True Sips, why didn't you post that in your introduction to this topic? True Sips were apparantly collected within the Sipaliwini Savannah during an Azureus-collecting trip. They have precise locality data.
If they are not these frogs, they have NO locality data. This is trus of essentially all other D. tinctorius color morphs that have been imported from South America. People can have frogs that look very much like "True" Sips, but (without the provenance that indicates a known locality) all we can really call them is a "Cobalt" (which is a catch basin for many different frogs that have similar appearances).
It would have been better to explain what you already knew before asking advice.
Richard.
If you knew that they were sold to you as True Sips, why didn't you post that in your introduction to this topic? True Sips were apparantly collected within the Sipaliwini Savannah during an Azureus-collecting trip. They have precise locality data.
If they are not these frogs, they have NO locality data. This is trus of essentially all other D. tinctorius color morphs that have been imported from South America. People can have frogs that look very much like "True" Sips, but (without the provenance that indicates a known locality) all we can really call them is a "Cobalt" (which is a catch basin for many different frogs that have similar appearances).
It would have been better to explain what you already knew before asking advice.
Richard.
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