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I am already cringing at the possibility of getting flamed for this question but I am curious and im willing to risk it. As of August 2011, what is the rarest imitator morph legally available in the US? and what if any other imitator morphs out there need more people breeding them in captivity? They do not need to be the prettiest morph, just the ones that need the most help in establishing viable captive populations.

Ive decided to focus all of my attention in this hobby on imitators and Id like to contribute what I can to this species where its needed most. I currently keep tarapoto imis(just starting to exhibit breeding behavior at 5-6 months!), and am picking up some varaderos in the near future. I am really fond of the intermedius that have a leucamela type look to them, and will probably keep some of them as well.

Since I am already familiar with keeping thumbs and imis in particular, the husbandry issues and the "if youre new to the hobby you shouldnt keep a rare frog" thing isnt a problem. I have a pretty good grasp on keeping imis, I culture all of the food they could ever need (ff's, springs, pods, etc.), and am 100% focused on producing imitators exclusively. My goal is to learn as much about the species as possible, and then publishing that info along with my log book entries at some point. I know that these are considered a good "starter" thumbnail, and there is already a bunch of info on them out there as they are fairly common in the hobby, but I would like to delve more into the nuances in breeding, husbandry, and behavior in the different morphs. I would also like to to be able to offer a consistent supply of captive bred offspring with well documented lineages to hobbyists who share my enthusiasm for the species.

I think that this is a fairly straightforward species to keep, but by offering a variety of different food sources and really fine tuning the husbandry to the specific morph I believe there are valuable insights to be gained that can lead to new "best practice" when it comes to keeping the diff. morphs.

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Benedicta is not an imitator. While it is sympatric with R. ventrimaculata and R. imitator in the northern part of its range it is a separate species.

Among the R. imitator in the hobby, I would say the 2006 INIBICO imports and the old Sens line Green R. imitators are less common than the ones brought in more recently by UE.

Tor has a nice description of some of the old line stuff.
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Benedicta is not an imitator. While it is sympatric with R. ventrimaculata and R. imitator in the northern part of its range it is a separate species.

Among the R. imitator in the hobby, I would say the 2006 INIBICO imports and the old Sens line Green R. imitators are less common than the ones brought in more recently by UE.

Tor has a nice description of some of the old line stuff.
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Youre right. Totally read through thread fast while driving. As I kniw we have out imitated ranitomeyas by the imitators.....and now that think of it......benedictas might be the most expensive ranitomeyas but summersi and fantasticas I have seen around posted alot less.
 

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As someone who is also trying to breed only imitators, my vote is Bajo Huallaga. Not exactly rare. But there are few in the hobby as they are not that popular, and I'm told they are hard to breed. I also have not been successful with them.

Best of luck! I've got three kinds of a tarapoto and only one pair are breeding.

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Yeah I was going to guess Bajo Huallaga, too. I haven't kept them, but it just seems that I almost never see them on the boards here.
I also feel like banded intermedius used to be uncommon but I have seen more of them lately.
Just my personal observations about how frequently I notice them for sale/ discussed.
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Youre right. Totally read through thread fast while driving. As I kniw we have out imitated ranitomeyas by the imitators.....and now that think of it......benedictas might be the most expensive ranitomeyas but summersi and fantasticas I have seen around posted alot less.
Benedicta are in the fant family. The value sure doesnt go to being the rarest either. I would think maybe Bajo Huallaga or maybe take on all the known lines of your fav? Banded intermedius are still rather underbred.

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Add to that Melanistic Tarapoto that Saurian Enterprises sells. Maybe not considered a line. But it's an aberration I like the breed separate from the others.

Beyond them I have Varadero, Bajo Huallaga, Banded, Yuris, Nominal, and Intermedius.

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What are your three kinds of taras? I know of the Tor Linbo line and the Understory Enterprises line.
 

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Add to that Melanistic Tarapoto that Saurian Enterprises sells. Maybe not considered a line. But it's an aberration I like the breed separate from the others.

Beyond them I have Varadero, Bajo Huallaga, Banded, Yuris, Nominal, and Intermedius.

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Not to start another line breeding/inbreeding debate (as there are several recent ones...), but I don't think people should be breeding the melanistic tarapoto imis separate intentionally... it is not a naturally occurring population and I would just have "regular" tarapotos. It's kind of like the whole fine spot azureus, no-dot citronella, and chocolate leuc issues.
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Not to start another line breeding/inbreeding debate (as there are several recent ones...), but I don't think people should be breeding the melanistic tarapoto imis separate intentionally... it is not a naturally occurring population and I would just have "regular" tarapotos.

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YEP, I agree with that 100%.
 

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wow thanks for all the responses guys. I was looking at the baja huallaga from understory, theyre pricey lol and the pics ive seen look alot like tarapotos. Im making moves to get a trio of varaderos at the sept 11 white plains show, really looking forward to that (theyre my fav imi morph!). As for my third morph Ive narrowed it down to caranachi (sp?), banded intermedius, or yuris. Im kinda leaning towards the intermedius provided i can fine good banded specimens, but I really like the yuris too lol. I thought narrowing it down to one species would make this easier but theres still so many options its hard to pick. Im capping it at 3 morphs for the time being. I need to take my time with this to avoid freaking my wife out with a bunch of tanks in the house all at once. I think im just gonna go with whatever good opportunity comes my way. Seems like the easiest way to do it. So if theres a nice group of banded intermedius at the show (ive heard rumors there will be) then ill go with them. I think by sitting back Ill end up coming across a good deal.
 

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What do you guys think about Chazutas as rare in the hobby? The TMG reports did not include them in the same group as intermedius and it has been made very clear that they are not to mixed since they are different morphs of imitator.
 

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What do you guys think about Chazutas as rare in the hobby? The TMG reports did not include them in the same group as intermedius and it has been made very clear that they are not to mixed since they are different morphs of imitator.
I'm interested to hear about their rarity as well. Not many people talk about having them, at least as far as I can tell.
 

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My vote is Varadero! I've got a 2.3 group which produced about six tads and stopped. I couldn't figure it out till I found they had hidden a tad on me and have been feeding it for the last month a huge amount of eggs.

Chazutas are just location specific Intermedius as far as I'm aware. Same as CV's are to Nominals. I wouldn't call them rare. I was thinking of getting some as well. And maybe some Yumbatos which look more like Yuris than BH's do. At least in my opinion.

I won the Melanistic Tarapoto from the AAA Frogs contest. They got them from Saurian:
Saurian Enterprises, Inc :: R. imitator "Tarapoto" Sexed pair Melanistic

If anyone wants to give me some regular tarapoto to mix them with I'd be happy to do so. :D Come on! Put your tarapotos where your likes are!
 

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I don't think the OP made the distinction between localities and subspecies or variants. I wouldn't have guessed that Varaderos were rare, as I've seen them at expos and advertised online fairly often. Chazutas still get my vote :D
 
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