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(Hope I'm posting in the right section...)

After seeing vivariums online, I finally got to it and built one.

It started like this:

At first I started with what I had, aquarium gravel.


It didn't have the right feel so the next day I replaced most of it with Eco earth, leaving a few inches of it for drainage.


The next day I went out in search of some moss...



I was happy, but it seemed lacking. So with the help of the AWESOME folks of Dendroboard, and Zack(PeanutbuttER), I got all the info I needed to construct a proper background. On the day of the 'Rapture' I completed the construction of my Vivarium.



Now I just need to be patient while the plants fill in!
 

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Wow... complete turn around from the first picture... it looks good. Wild collected moss? Be sure it's clean.
 

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Thanks! Not sure which frog species I want to go with yet. Still need to do some more research, etc.
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Anything I should be worried about with the moss other then pesticides/herbicides? I collect all of my plants, wood, rocks, whatevers, from the middle of the wilderness, so there are no chems. ;)
 

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Yeah theres alot of other things that can be harmful other than chemicals.

Parasites, diseases, fungus that could be harmful not only to the animals but some stuff in general could be hazardous to your plantings.
Also Wild collected mosses tend to not do well in vivariums same with any wild collected plants in MOST of the USA. This is because they are temperate and require a cool period, some things also require a dry period as well.

Aside from what was mentioned in the last paragraph,
Spiders, Millipedes, Centipedes, and some other bugs that can bite the frogs and kill them. these get in through eggs on the wood/rocks/ leaves of plants etc.. and hatch out in the vivarium.

Snails and slugs!!! These guys get in your vivarium they will wreak absolute havoc on your plant colonies. And Im sure there are other bugs that would do the same thing



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Thanks! Not sure which frog species I want to go with yet. Still need to do some more research, etc.
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Anything I should be worried about with the moss other then pesticides/herbicides? I collect all of my plants, wood, rocks, whatevers, from the middle of the wilderness, so there are no chems. ;)
Yes...mold, bacteria, fungus, insects, insect larvae. Cytrids is just one example of a hitchhiker that you defiantly do not want in your viv. Some of the more experienced hobbyist will hopefully chime in with some details.

Generally, most hobbyist that harvest anything from outside will take some precautions before putting it in a viv. Some examples are washing plants in 10% chlorine solutions, boiling or baking wood, rock, or soils.
 

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well the moss is in there and its jammed everywhere so I can really take it out...

How should I solve any potential issues this may have caused?
 

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It won't take care of everything but you can CO2 treat it. Take a couple of chunks of dry ice, put them in an open container inside the tank. Seal off most of it, let the dry ice dissipate the air in there then seal the rest of the top. Leave it for 24 hours. That'll kill most of the buggies but leave the plants live.
 

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Dry ice IN the tank, will kill your plants as well. It will freeze them. You need to introduce the gas produced into the tank, but the dry ice needs to be above the tank. Do a SEARCH. there are many threads showing how to do it right.

I skip all this. I got a CO2 paintball tank and hose at a pawn shop. I open the valve and fill the tank with CO2 and seal it up.

I do this EVERY time I finish a viv every couple days for a week or so. BEFORE introducing frogs.

The CO2 kills the nasties, but it gives the newly planted plants a kick in the ass.

Another trick is to put baking soda in a tall deli cup, set it in the viv, and add vinegar to the cup and seal the viv. after the foaming up, CO2 is released as a by product of the reaction.
 

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Ive done dry ice in a vivs many times before as well no issues as long as the chunks or container arent too close to the plants.. however I do understand the possibility of freezing since a bunch of leaf litter froze to the cup the dry ice was in.

Id love to see your paintball canister setup as Ive thought about doing the same thing but couldnt figure out a way mechanically to make it work.


Thanx,

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Oh, they make a fitting now that screws on the paintball canister so you can use it like a can of air to blow out keyboards and such.

I am thinking about getting one of these. It screws right on tank. point it, pull trigger, and sweep the tank.
 

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I like the way it looks now the best! The wood you added and the way the substrate slopes really wraps everything together and it flows nicely. :)
 

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I like the way it looks now the best! The wood you added and the way the substrate slopes really wraps everything together and it flows nicely. :)
Thanks Zack, many of your posts really helped me with creating the background.

Now its time to gas my tank and then on to fruit flies...
 

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Dry ice IN the tank, will kill your plants as well. It will freeze them. You need to introduce the gas produced into the tank, but the dry ice needs to be above the tank. Do a SEARCH. there are many threads showing how to do it right.

I skip all this. I got a CO2 paintball tank and hose at a pawn shop. I open the valve and fill the tank with CO2 and seal it up.

I do this EVERY time I finish a viv every couple days for a week or so. BEFORE introducing frogs.

The CO2 kills the nasties, but it gives the newly planted plants a kick in the ass.

Another trick is to put baking soda in a tall deli cup, set it in the viv, and add vinegar to the cup and seal the viv. after the foaming up, CO2 is released as a by product of the reaction.

Do you have a good recipe for the vinegar / baking soda method? I dont want to make a mess in the viv...

Would using Yeast work?

I could do the dry ice method but I'm unfamiliar with handling dry ice...
 

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If you got most/everything from outside I'd tear everything down, dispose of it properly, and start over by sterilizing EVERYTHING that goes into the viv. Besides frogs/microfauna because that's impossible. Sorry to sound harsh but it's the responsible thing to do IMO. I know it sucks but this could have been prevented with a little more research.
 

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I agree Mitch,

I didnt want to be the one to say but yes this is the best and most responsible way to do it.
Plus I kinda got caught up in the Co2 conversations :D
The Co2 is advisable and is a good idea if you can do it. Its also been said to get rid of several vivarium pest such as mealy bug, isopods such as millipedes centipedes and some other pillbugs that DO make a mess of plant life (Not all woodlice are an issue but a few species can be a problem) As well as spiders and even snails.

However Im not sure how it does against molds , fungus and bacteria?


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I agree Mitch,

I didnt want to be the one to say but yes this is the best and most responsible way to do it.
Plus I kinda got caught up in the Co2 conversations :D
The Co2 is advisable and is a good idea if you can do it. Its also been said to get rid of several vivarium pest such as mealy bug, isopods such as millipedes centipedes and some other pillbugs that DO make a mess of plant life (Not all woodlice are an issue but a few species can be a problem) As well as spiders and even snails.

However Im not sure how it does against molds , fungus and bacteria?


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Yea, I'm just trying to get my point across so I was blatant. Again, sorry if I sounded harsh.

CO2 isn't guaranteed at all to kill everything. I mean, what if you brought the chytrid fungus into your viv and it doesn't get killed from the CO2?
 
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