Wondering if people are still psyched about pumilio being available again or has the thrill worn off already. Answer as if you had some money to spend on new frogs.
Personally I hope they don't drop anymore than that. When pumilio were coming in from Nic. at $25 each, you started seeing pumilio in large numbers in pet stores where they either died or were sold to anyone with $25 and a whim, only to die in a different spot. Thousands of blue jeans have come into the States but where are they now? From what I've heard, these more recent shipments coming in at a higher price have attracted more dedicated people buy them and they are doing much better. I think correct pricing on wc/fr whatever you want to call them can be an important tool in getting breeding populations successfully established in the hobby.Devin Edmonds said:They had farm-raised pumilio at the NARBC in Chicago for $50 each. There is room for the price to drop and, assuming they keep importing the frogs, it probably will.
Hey Brent, this is a great question. I am only saying what I have been told be two breeder who have both w/c and c/b (I will let you know privately the breeders if you want). Both breeders have said that out of all the pumilio pairs they have the w/c females always out produce the c/b. Also both of these guys have more than 8 pairs of pumilio. I feel we are missing something in the diets, and this needs to be fixed.bbrock said:With regard to wc breeding better than cb. I wonder how many people have had both wc and cb set up the same way and had luck breeding the wc but not the cb. How much of the difficult reputation has to do with people who have only tried cb and not gotten them to breed? I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm just trying to understand how cb got this reputation and whether it is legitimate. If the demand for cb dries up because everyone wants wc, then we could have a problem getting sustainable captive populations established.
I agree with this but will note that when the $25 frogs were coming in, some of the importers treated the animals like they were gold. But they were cheap enough that they went to a lot of first time froggers.Devin Edmonds said:Right, the way a dealer or importer handles a frog is going to depend on how much they can sell it for. There is a good chance that a frog sold for $100 is going to be cared for better than a frog sold for $25.
A few years ago I would have agreed completely with this but don't anymore. I agree that even at $100 a lot of people with no business buying the frogs are still doing so. But what I haven't heard about with these more expensive shipments is people going into pet stores and seeing 50 or more pumilio languishing in poor conditions with a $25 price tag. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see most pet stores stock piling more than a few of these frogs without having a buyer pre-arranged. If I'm right, I don't know what else to attribute this difference to other than the higher price.I don't think that expensive frogs are neccessarily going to end up in better hands though, there are plenty of inexperienced and just plain stupid people that have money and can afford to spend $100 on a frog.
Amen!andersonii85 said:Hello all,
Some interesting ideas here. However, I would like to see one thing addressed. I personally would never buy any wild caught frogs if I knew I could get CB's. I tend to be a little more conservation minded than most and find it troubling that there is such a strong demand for WC's/farm raised. I am sure one could argue that these frogs will be collected in a sustainable way; on the other hand, I can see that there will be a decent amount of illegal collecting because of this. I remember when they stopped those shipments of auratus and pumilio coming from Costa Rica years ago and that was followed by an influx of Nicaraguan auratus.....hmmmm...... it is very easy to carry some frogs with you, cross a border into a country that allows exports, and get your money.
I would like to urge everyone to just get on that waiting list, wait it out, and you will appreciate your CB pumilio that much more.