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In the begining I had no information and now I have so much that I am totally confused. :? (Well if I really had too much info I wouldn't have any questions would I :wink: )

LOL, can anybody try to simplify things for me? I have a 20 gallon long tank that I wish to convert to a Viv for a pair of D. Azureus. (The species that I first fell in love with although recently I am so tempted by so many others, :wink: ) so all of my questions would be with this in mind.


Here are the things I am sure I want, (unless someone here tells me that this is a bad idea...) A vivarium, a pair of D. Azureus, a water feature, a fogging system, apropriate plantings.


Here is what I have already an empty used tank, some selaginella, some masdevillas, and a couple of adiantums. and a million questions.


I realize that everyone has there own favorite ways of doing things and that sometimes these things are perfectly opposed, but somehow I have failed to find the common ground to permit me to pursue my quest. Please forgive the long post I am always way too wordy but I am trying to give you enough info to understand my problems/questions. :roll:



1. I do not have glass cutting capabilities so putting a hole in the tank for drainage is not a possibility. Does this present a terminal problem or do I use a filter or do I simply siphon off water periodically and replace it?



2. Since the tank is long rather than high should I forget about doing a false bottom and if so how do I manage a small stream/pond effect?



3. I do not have a lid and was considering purchasing a glass for the top. I am fairly handy with a dremel and can do a fair amount of woodworking so I could create a wooden frame to place the glass in, but, would it be better to set the glass directly onto the tank?


4. How long should the frogs be quarantined to shoe boxes before being added to the new tank? (IOW... can I buy the frogs before the tank is ready if I find a really good deal, :lol: )


My list of ?'s goes on and on but I will stop here for the moment and thank each of you in advance for your help. (I don't want to wear out my welcome :lol: )

Jan

Don't forget, "He who dies with the most frogs wins!" :wink:
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Here's one froggers opinions.

1. I do not have glass cutting capabilities so putting a hole in the tank for drainage is not a possibility. Does this present a terminal problem or do I use a filter or do I simply siphon off water periodically and replace it?

You can do any one you want to. Whatever is easiest for you.

2. Since the tank is long rather than high should I forget about doing a false bottom and if so how do I manage a small stream/pond effect?

Using the pea gravel sort of acts as a false bottom. The stream effect can be tricky either way. It will depend on how good you are at making tanks. I would probably skip the stream, but if you want it bad, work on it.

3. I do not have a lid and was considering purchasing a glass for the top. I am fairly handy with a dremel and can do a fair amount of woodworking so I could create a wooden frame to place the glass in, but, would it be better to set the glass directly onto the tank?

It would be much easier to set the glass on top. I agree with the post of using the All-Glass lid from a pet store. The plastic back can easily be drilled or cut to make ventilation ( a must if you're going to put that orchid in there)

4. How long should the frogs be quarantined to shoe boxes before being added to the new tank? (IOW... can I buy the frogs before the tank is ready if I find a really good deal, :lol: )

Since you have no other frogs, you don't have to quarantine them, but if you're tank isn't ready then you can shoebox them until it is. I have to say that many people keep there frogs in a shoebox at first so that it is easier for them to find food and easier for you to keep an eye on 'em.
Don't forget to to learn how to culture flies. It is THEEEE most important thing when keepind darts. If your cultures crash or aren't producing it takes a minimun of 2 weeks to get things going again. You're frogs will not survive 2 weeks without food and you can't get flies easily from a petstore.


-Ben
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The All-Glass lid is made by the company All-Glass. They make aquariums as well as the lids. You can also use a Penn-Plax. I believe that they make them as well. The 20 long is a standard sized aquarium, so either should work. These should be available from almost any pet store. Even pet supply places that sell fish food should have these.
As for your set-up. A lot of what you want to do is going to be dependant on how you want to do them. I have seen beautiful tanks that were very simple and some that are very complex. It's a matter of taste and how much you want to work at it before and after set-up. As for the health of the frogs. Many breeders keep there tanks in very simpe 10 gal tanks with pairs. I've even seen one with almost no plants except a hunk of moss, a small pool on one side (pea gravel piled high on one side and low on the other) and a coco-hut for breeding. The frogs (tincs) were healthy and horny. So they obviously found their surrondings romantic enough. It's obvious that your tank will be much more for your enjoyment than for just the frogs, so once again do as you please. As long as the basic requirements are met, the frogs will be happy.

-Ben Zomer
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