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I was wondering why we don't see people selling older breeding pairs at all? I see a lot of vague ages like 2-3 year old pair or something like that, but very seldom beyond 4 years of age. Not that it's an elderly age for dart frogs as everyone knows, but still.
Not a theory or anything, just a question: Do you guys think there is a lot of fudging of frog ages on this forum to help the seller make a better sale? Obviously a 6 year old pair can breed just fine and even be in the prime of their life for breeding. But I rarely see this. People sell frogs all the time so I can't assume that once frogs reach a certain age, people just decide to keep them into retirement? lol
Granted, I know a vague age range can be the honest result of lost records at one point in the frogs lives as they were maybe sold around until they reached a long term home.
I also know that many breeders keep detailed records, while others definition of detailed records is less detailed than others. I'm sure many people who buy frogs, ask for their estimated OOW date if it's known. If buying directly from a breeder, this date should be very easy to supply. Now maybe it's a question of the buyer not asking for a date to maintain their records, besides keeping age of frogs in the back of mind for a later date or just to know.
I just think there's a lot of talk of keeping bloodlines and lineage in order, yet something like age of frogs seems to get lost in the shuffle.
Dart frogs live a long time and I'm just very surprised that the adult frogs for sale are rarely of a long term captive age.
I know breeders like Richard from Black Jungle, that has a breeding pair of Auratus that are breeding well to this day and were obtained as WC adults in the early 1990s.
Lastly, I'm sure much of the time it's a matter of the seller having so many frogs in their collection or just a lot of frogs that pass through, so they don't care or aren't conscious of age of frogs until it becomes time to sell. At the selling point, they can only muster a rough estimate that's hard to verify anyway.
Not sure if this has been talked about before but I know a lot of record keeping issues are discussed and I'm curious if this is ever addressed.
I keep what most consider a medium collection of frogs. 12 species or so. So keeping my records up to date is pretty easy and only takes a few minutes out of my week to jot down quick observations or notes. It's handy though as my non-obligate egg feeders that I pull eggs from are easily traced back to my book for future sales. I guess I was thinking about this while noticing no older pairs, but also while I was keeping an egg and tadpole count for my azureus, I can trace back most breeding activity but have absolutely zero information on my pair. I just know they're deep blue and unrelated and who sold them to me.
Now obviously a huge breeder can't be writing down every time they pull eggs as even with my azureus pair, they've been breeding so much that it's become tedious to do so. But OOW dates aren't terribly difficult to at least know their season.
So, are people lying about ages when they know they have a pair that's pushing 10 years or something? Or were they lied to and just don't have a clue?
Alright in order not to ramble, I'll leave it at that. Any ideas?
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Not a theory or anything, just a question: Do you guys think there is a lot of fudging of frog ages on this forum to help the seller make a better sale? Obviously a 6 year old pair can breed just fine and even be in the prime of their life for breeding. But I rarely see this. People sell frogs all the time so I can't assume that once frogs reach a certain age, people just decide to keep them into retirement? lol
Granted, I know a vague age range can be the honest result of lost records at one point in the frogs lives as they were maybe sold around until they reached a long term home.
I also know that many breeders keep detailed records, while others definition of detailed records is less detailed than others. I'm sure many people who buy frogs, ask for their estimated OOW date if it's known. If buying directly from a breeder, this date should be very easy to supply. Now maybe it's a question of the buyer not asking for a date to maintain their records, besides keeping age of frogs in the back of mind for a later date or just to know.
I just think there's a lot of talk of keeping bloodlines and lineage in order, yet something like age of frogs seems to get lost in the shuffle.
Dart frogs live a long time and I'm just very surprised that the adult frogs for sale are rarely of a long term captive age.
I know breeders like Richard from Black Jungle, that has a breeding pair of Auratus that are breeding well to this day and were obtained as WC adults in the early 1990s.
Lastly, I'm sure much of the time it's a matter of the seller having so many frogs in their collection or just a lot of frogs that pass through, so they don't care or aren't conscious of age of frogs until it becomes time to sell. At the selling point, they can only muster a rough estimate that's hard to verify anyway.
Not sure if this has been talked about before but I know a lot of record keeping issues are discussed and I'm curious if this is ever addressed.
I keep what most consider a medium collection of frogs. 12 species or so. So keeping my records up to date is pretty easy and only takes a few minutes out of my week to jot down quick observations or notes. It's handy though as my non-obligate egg feeders that I pull eggs from are easily traced back to my book for future sales. I guess I was thinking about this while noticing no older pairs, but also while I was keeping an egg and tadpole count for my azureus, I can trace back most breeding activity but have absolutely zero information on my pair. I just know they're deep blue and unrelated and who sold them to me.
Now obviously a huge breeder can't be writing down every time they pull eggs as even with my azureus pair, they've been breeding so much that it's become tedious to do so. But OOW dates aren't terribly difficult to at least know their season.
So, are people lying about ages when they know they have a pair that's pushing 10 years or something? Or were they lied to and just don't have a clue?
Alright in order not to ramble, I'll leave it at that. Any ideas?
D