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Does anyone else have threads or users they remember seeing around the board before they became an active user and now they’re gone? I’m thinking of a few specifically and it’s odd coming back to the forum and not seeing their replies and insight.

If anyone has any threads they remember reading awhile back could they post the link? I remember checking for updates on grimm’s build threads and now I can’t find any of them through the search bar or his account.


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Here is the Peninsula thread you are referring to, I think. It was unnecessarily difficult to find, though, due to not being able to search on GRIMM's name in the advanced search. It doesn't appear to be in the forum database of names, for some reason. I will run this up the VS flagpole and see if there is a reason for this. That same situation might be true of many folks that haven't posted since the conversion to the new forum software. Anyway, let me check in with VS and see what I find out. Thanks for bringing this up!

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Does anyone else have threads or users they remember seeing around the board before they became an active user and now they’re gone? I’m thinking of a few specifically and it’s odd coming back to the forum and not seeing their replies and insight.
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I'm just getting back into the hobby after being out for awhile. I was surprised to see how many of the frequent commenters weren't around any longer. It took me a long time digging to find a thread that had a reply from Ed I was looking for. But I really haven't dug into the search feature much since coming back.
 

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Ed was one of the most knowledgeable and well read researchers and posters who had great insight into frog care and husbandry.

Brent Brock, Tracy, Lars, Todd Kelly, Christina Hanson and many others from the Frognet days of the 80s and 90s were excellent. I which there was a way to find and restore the internet archives of Frognet from that era. The amount if knowledge lost was huge.

Clay Based Soil

One more husbandry thread

Detailed Journal / Colored Foam / Tank Rear Access / Artificial Vines & Stumps

So you want a reason not to mix species

are valuable threads from here.
 

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I remember Ed too. I wasn’t around for frognet. Does anyone know why some of the older uses left? If they still keep frogs or just left the hobby completely?


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Does anyone know why some of the older uses left?
While I remember Ed & most of those other guys too, I can't speak of those folks' motivations specifically. I think it's pretty typical for there to be a lot of turnover in online communities, and I think there's a number of factors.
  • One factor that's well-managed here is flame wars crap - that really turns people off.
  • Another factor is just that as you age, you may get less interested in interacting with lots of new people. There's constant inflow. It's always the same old questions, very basic stuff. Nothing wrong with that, but Jesus it's like people forgot how to read or something. "Look it up before you ask."
  • Another factor is "other platforms" like Facebook or Instagram. Those aren't so good for actually sharing detailed knowledge, but they're good for the spank bank. Viv porn. Pretty pictures. It could be that some guys are sick of seeing all the same old basic questions, but they're happy to graze a little viv porn. Just a guess, it's not my jam.
  • Not many people I know who are really into animals actually "get out of" them. Sometimes their specific passions will change though - say from frogs to reefs, or turtles, or whatever. Or, from animal keeping to animal photography, often including travel. Man that eats some time and dollars!
  • I do know a very few guys who used to be all-in on animals, and they just completely left it all behind. Seems like with most of those few guys, there was also a divorce and a move (like, "he left the country") and oh jeez maybe a midlife crisis or something. They just up and got a whole new identity. It's kind of freaky, really.
  • Finally sometimes a person leaves for a while and comes back later. One really common reason is having kids. It's amazing - appalling really - how much time and money the little bastards take! Ha ha. Time and money are finite, and nothing is more important than your spouse and kids. So it's reasonable to expect lots of people to disappear around age 30, and maybe re-appear with a little bit more free time around age 45 or so.
Anyway - "some thoughts". Wink nudge.
 

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I left the hobby completely for about a decade or so, spending my energy on other pursuits -- travel, sport, etc. and moved around a fair bit too, usually living in small spaces.

I only got back in 2019 when I moved into a house with a big empty room. Got a bunch of houseplants. Which led me back to frogs somehow. No regrets at all. I'm also at an age where my lifestyle has settled down.

I remember some of those Frognet people from back in the day and don't know what happened to most of them. I believe at least one of them passed away if memory serves as he was an older gentleman.

I had a brief exchange with Ed on Facebook last year, can't remember which group -- apropos to the discussion, he mentioned he doesn't really keep frogs anymore, I think he was down to one or something, I can't remember.

@jgragg covers most of the bases in his post. In fact, when I left completely for over a decade, the catalyst was breaking up with my long term girlfriend of the time; it just started a new life for me.

In fact...yeah. I would have left around 30 or so, last animals I kept were Basins ... and come back around 45 or so. There you have it. I did keep some terribilis for a span in-between, but then I threw myself into sports before I got too old to compete, and with that came very little time at home and more travel.

These days it's about balance. I have a few tanks and a handful of species, but I'll never have as many species as I once did, nor as many tanks to run, because I know where else my time will go over the years.

I think this is also a factor for some people who disappear forever: they go from being keepers to collectors and with that comes the risk of burnout.
 

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... The amount if knowledge lost was huge. ...
There are over 1 million posts archived here. It makes me nervous to think what would happen if these were lost or rendered inaccessible. The true value of this board is that it's a living library, it will likely always be superior to social media platforms.
 

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These days it's about balance. I have a few tanks and a handful of species, but I'll never have as many species as I once did, nor as many tanks to run, because I know where else my time will go over the years.

I think this is also a factor for some people who disappear forever: they go from being keepers to collectors and with that comes the risk of burnout.
That's a REALLY good point. I guess I could add to my short list of folks who've left it all behind, some "addictive types" who became animal hoarders. They burned out. At least one is now one of the travel & photography guys. "How did he get there?" is partially answered with "by going from a half-dozen or so cages, to three rooms full of them".

Burnout is a killer - balance is a savior. "To thine own self be true." That's something that - to an older guy like me who remembers life before the internet - is pretty disturbing about the internet. There's so much opportunity to be seduced and "sculpted" by overt & subconscious "social pressure" (not all extrinsic) into becoming - ah fuck, what exactly? A counterfeit? An impostor? An actor? A character and not a 4-dimensional person? None of these quite nail it but all scrape it a little bit.

So I guess my advice to anyone who's pondering such things - know yourself, don't kid yourself, be yourself, and don't try to be somebody else. Life has multiple chapters, know which one you're in and be OK with it.
 

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I heard back from Vertical Scope: "This can be a user privacy option, if a member has opted out to not see notifications this can be the reason behind that that their username does not come up. If I just add their name to the search option their posts do show up so I really think its the privacy option."

That makes some sense. Maybe Justin was tired of answering questions about his Peninsula build :) Could be true of other forum veterans, too. I know that I was able to tag Ed and pumilo, but those were the only ones I tried.

Everyone, if you are having any trouble with the forum, please let us know and we can look into it.

Thanks!

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I heard back from Vertical Scope: "This can be a user privacy option, if a member has opted out to not see notifications this can be the reason behind that that their username does not come up. If I just add their name to the search option their posts do show up so I really think its the privacy option."

That makes some sense. Maybe Justin was tired of answering questions about his Peninsula build :) Could be true of other forum veterans, too. I know that I was able to tag Ed and pumilo, but those were the only ones I tried.

Everyone, if you are having any trouble with the forum, please let us know and we can look into it.

Thanks!

Mark
This is why Mark's a super moderator :)
 

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While I remember Ed & most of those other guys too, I can't speak of those folks' motivations specifically. I think it's pretty typical for there to be a lot of turnover in online communities, and I think there's a number of factors.
  • One factor that's well-managed here is flame wars crap - that really turns people off.
  • Another factor is just that as you age, you may get less interested in interacting with lots of new people. There's constant inflow. It's always the same old questions, very basic stuff. Nothing wrong with that, but Jesus it's like people forgot how to read or something. "Look it up before you ask."
  • Another factor is "other platforms" like Facebook or Instagram. Those aren't so good for actually sharing detailed knowledge, but they're good for the spank bank. Viv porn. Pretty pictures. It could be that some guys are sick of seeing all the same old basic questions, but they're happy to graze a little viv porn. Just a guess, it's not my jam.
  • Not many people I know who are really into animals actually "get out of" them. Sometimes their specific passions will change though - say from frogs to reefs, or turtles, or whatever. Or, from animal keeping to animal photography, often including travel. Man that eats some time and dollars!
  • I do know a very few guys who used to be all-in on animals, and they just completely left it all behind. Seems like with most of those few guys, there was also a divorce and a move (like, "he left the country") and oh jeez maybe a midlife crisis or something. They just up and got a whole new identity. It's kind of freaky, really.
  • Finally sometimes a person leaves for a while and comes back later. One really common reason is having kids. It's amazing - appalling really - how much time and money the little bastards take! Ha ha. Time and money are finite, and nothing is more important than your spouse and kids. So it's reasonable to expect lots of people to disappear around age 30, and maybe re-appear with a little bit more free time around age 45 or so.
Anyway - "some thoughts". Wink nudge.
All of these are valid.
Many of these are what I would call a major life changing event that at the time causes one to re-evaluate one's priorities. Nothing wrong with that.

Having kids, major medical concerns, divorce, etc. all will impact one's life and lifestyle.

I can personally speak to why some step away. I had to step away twice for major life changing events.

Once was due to major family health issues. After we were married, I found out that my spouse grew up in a home where she was physically and sexually abused from a very young age over may years. We went through years of Counceling trying to help her rebuild her life. I put her through graduate school so she could become a counselor so she could figure out her issues and then be able to help others who went through similar things that she went through. These things helped some, but she never did truly heal and recover from her past. After 26 years she finally walked away from our marriage. That was probably the best thing for me and my life.

The other major life event, happened five years after our divorce. I had to go back to court because my ex-spouse illegally started keeping our children from coming to my home. This process lasted for more than three years. During that time, my ex's issues started to cause major trauma to our children. After being away from my home and influence for those three years my daughter became severely anxious and depressed, she almost doubled her weight during that time, and was riding around in handicap carts at the store with her mom. During those 3 years, my daughter completed only 5 classes in school and she attempted suicide 4 times while in her mom's care. Yet it took $70,000 in legal fees and 3 years in court to finally get her back in my home. (By that time the court evaluator said my daughter was so screwed up that she was afraid my daughter would commit suicide if I was given full custody.) How screwed up is that? It then took my ex's attempted suicide to finally obtain full custody and supervised visitation for mom. That changed everything for our kids.

After coming back to my home, it took 5 years of love and gentle guidance in a stable and loving home environment, along with weekly counseling to restore my daughter to health and normalcy. She is no longer depressed or anxious, she dropped most of the weight she gained, she completed 4 years of High School in 2 years, while getting straight A's. She even earned a scholarship and is presently in college all while working ¾ time at an animal hospital, she wants to be a Vet Tech. She now, once again, has a good chance at a normal healthy life.

Fighting for my daughter's return to a stable home life turned her life around and turned my life upside-down but it was worth it. But these life changing events cause us to prioritize the most important things in our lives, so I stepped back from dart frogs and from the Dendrobate community for several years.

For those to whom frogs are just a fad or fun cool hobby these types of the life changing events can lead a person to check out and step away from frogs permanently. That is not wrong or bad.

For those who truly are passionate about our jeweled wonders, and the environments that we create for them, we are likely to come back into the fold after life settles down. I did, twice. 🐸
 

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These days it's about balance. I have a few tanks and a handful of species, but I'll never have as many species as I once did, nor as many tanks to run, because I know where else my time will go over the years.
Well said.


There are over 1 million posts archived here. It makes me nervous to think what would happen if these were lost or rendered inaccessible. The true value of this board is that it's a living library, it will likely always be superior to social media platforms.
Agreed. In searching through the archive that Dendroboard was able to save there have been many years of posts that didn't make it which I kick myself for not saving on my own computer. I have vague memories of posts that I and others made that would have been extremely helpful. (Some I remember on casting techniques, and some on painting and coloring techniques that I specifically looked for but could not find in the archives). I was heart broken at this loss. I think it may have happened when Frognet was switched to a new server.
 

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When was frognet around? I’m not sure if it’s possible and honestly I’m not very good at computers at all but would it be possible for some of the threads to show up on one of the programs meant to archive old sites online? I believe there’s one called the waybackmachine but I’ve never used it and not really sure how it works.


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When was frognet around? I’m not sure if it’s possible and honestly I’m not very good at computers at all but would it be possible for some of the threads to show up on one of the programs meant to archive old sites online? I believe there’s one called the waybackmachine but I’ve never used it and not really sure how it works.


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FrogNet was around in the 90's. It was archived somewhere while it was active. From what I remember when it shutdown the archives moved but you were still able to access them for a time. But, I am not sure.
 

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The Wayback Machine doesn't archive anything that isn't public, and most of the content was password access only.

Here is what has been captured, though -- looks like the landing page and photo galleries:

 
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