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Alright, so I went to a local store that I heard had darts and for the first time ever I got to see a real live "Ranitomeya fantastica". According to the guy there this thing was full grown and let me tell you something ;I heard they were small but they are not small..... they are TINY !!!! The Auratus they had there looked like giants next to these guys and they would have no problem suckking one down :eek::eek:. I fed crickets that were considerably larger than them.
Are all the thumbs this small ?? Is there no middle grownd ??

If that is the case there is no way I'm getting those as my first frogs. I don't care how hardy they are. :(

On the other hand they are Beautiful. :D I mean wicked patterns and colors. Maybe in a few years.

I've always wanted Leucs but I hear so many completly different opinions about how loud they are so I have no clue :confused: I've never actually heard them or any Darts in real life.

Any body care to give their opinion ???

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Leucs are a beautiful frog. Curious as to why you're concerned about how loud they are...Going in a bedroom or something like that?

Our Leucs have an awesome call. They're not as loud as some have posted. I definately can't hear them on another floor of the house.
 

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I've never seen a fantastica in person, but I have seen retics and own three lamasi. I consider those species small, and I'd have to guess the fants are comparable in size to them. My standard imitator is much larger than my lamasi or retics, but still much smaller than any of my auratus.
 

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Thanks for the replies. The reason I'm concerned about noise level is cause I'm moving to the top floor of a house so I'm not alone. I've listened to whatever recordings I could find but I still don't know what the reality is.

I really liked the Varaderos but like I said if the size is that tiny it's not gonna happen. I like them all but the thumbs seems to have a much more intersting social & breeding behaviour.

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Leucs would probably be a better choice for a first frog. Thumbs, especially fants can be delicate. Leucs are not super loud and pretty much call during the day. I doubt it would bother roommates. Good luck.
 

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beat me to it shawn. similar in size to bigger pumilio. ive NEVER seen fants for sale at a store though. they are a shy, expensive frog that isnt commonly bred in large numbers, and that makes them generally a bad choice for someone to sell at a storefront.

did they look like this?


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Thank you all again .

This is he feedback I was looking for. I'm relieved to hear that Leuc calls won't travel from room to room.

I'm seconding guessing mydelf now as to what they were but they looked closer to the one in James' picture. I will double check next time I go there. If they are variabilis does that mean that imitators are bigger ??

If those are considered one of the bigger ones then by the time I have enough experience to keep them my eyesight will be too poor to see them. :eek:

I really think it's going to be Leucs but no hurry I just finshed planting my tank and I can enjoy it a loooong time just like this while everything matures. :)

Again the feedback is much appreciated.
 

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Thumbnails are shockingly small. I got 3 Yuris from NPaul. Two were pretty much adults and one was a froglet. It took a while to find him in the shipping container. All three are doing fine after nine months. I have at least one male. Bless his little heart, calls all the time. Mist them, feed them and so far, they are fine!
 

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Lol !! Bless him indeed. I knew thumbs were small but that turned out to be a serious understatment !! On top of that they shoot like frikkin bullets !! One moment I'm looking at it the next ........ POOF !! GONE!!

I have a 36x18x24 Ex Terra and if I got thumbs I'll probably be posting some horror story of how one escaped and .........:eek::eek: !!

So let's say I have Leucs in there and they are in my living room. If we're watching T.V will their call still be audible ?? Like do I have to raise the volume a bit to drown it ?? Is it the same for the other Tincs with the call volume ? I'm interested in those that can be kept in groups. From all the different stories I've heard I'm kind of under the impression that how loud the call is depends on the individual frog and that some are considerably louder than others. Has there ever been a poll about the loudest , fastest , smallest, frog ??

Great feedback everyone. Thank you all and keep it coming.
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Thumbnails are shockingly small. I got 3 Yuris from NPaul. Two were pretty much adults and one was a froglet. It took a while to find him in the shipping container. All three are doing fine after nine months. I have at least one male. Bless his little heart, calls all the time. Mist them, feed them and so far, they are fine!
 

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Tincs cannot be kept in groups. But they have an incredibly soft call.

My leucs can be heard through two closed doors when the television is off.... However, if you're concerned about others hearing them, most frogs sound like birds, and since they're diurnal it's not like they're be waking anyone up.

As far as the thumbnail, I have to question whether or not what you saw what an adult. It's rare that I've found a pet store owner who sold full grown dart frogs... or was willing to tell the whole truth rather than what is most likely to sell. If you saw a variabilis they're still probably bigger than imitators (my variabilis are significantly larger than my imitators).
 

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The store in question who has the darts has Variabilis Northerns, El cope Auratus, Micro spot Auratus, and Leucs. Variablis are under 6 months old, Leucs are probably 3 months old. As for the auratus they are of sub adult sizes.
I really have no clue of how you could of mistaken the Variabilis for Fants Morphman expecially when they are labeled...
 

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The store in question who has the darts has Variabilis Northerns, El cope Auratus, Micro spot Auratus, and Leucs. Variablis are under 6 months old, Leucs are probably 3 months old. As for the auratus they are of sub adult sizes.
I really have no clue of how you could of mistaken the Variabilis for Fants Morphman expecially when they are labeled...
Very simple Lance ... I forgot !! I didn't take notes. Am I gonna go to hell for mixing up the two :eek:.

Chill out man I'm new and not everyone has your expert skills. That's why we ask questions !!

Besides the real question here is about the general sound level and size of the frogs not how correctly identify them ( also important) .

Anyways...... I appreciate the feedback.

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I have a breeding pair of leucs +1 of their offspring in a 29g with no vents on it. I used 1/4 inch glass to make the front (its a vert). I cant hear them over my TV or in another room. The 1/4 inch glass probably helps a bit. Also when my male calls it tends to be in the morning right before their lights come on till about 20 mins after they are on. And again right before they go off. I dont know about anyone elses Leucs but mine don't call all day. On the other hand my Varaderos, they are loud. I can hear them in my bathroom with the door closed and the male never shuts up. My family can hear him "screaming" from the laundry room which is one room over from mine but separated by a concrete block foundation with a regular sized door frame cut into it, no door tho. They don't have 1/4 inch glass.
 

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Lol !! Bless him indeed. I knew thumbs were small but that turned out to be a serious understatment !! On top of that they shoot like frikkin bullets !! One moment I'm looking at it the next ........ POOF !! GONE!!

I have a 36x18x24 Ex Terra and if I got thumbs I'll probably be posting some horror story of how one escaped and .........:eek::eek: !!

So let's say I have Leucs in there and they are in my living room. If we're watching T.V will their call still be audible ?? Like do I have to raise the volume a bit to drown it ?? Is it the same for the other Tincs with the call volume ? I'm interested in those that can be kept in groups. From all the different stories I've heard I'm kind of under the impression that how loud the call is depends on the individual frog and that some are considerably louder than others. Has there ever been a poll about the loudest , fastest , smallest, frog ??

Great feedback everyone. Thank you all and keep it coming.
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Like a couple others have mentioned, I think the calls are pretty variable even within a species. You can hear my leucs with the TV on, but barely. And the tank is probably 10 feet away from the television. I would say most birds are way louder than frogs, if you've ever been in a pet store with birds. People describe leucs having a "canary-like" call, but mine is much quieter. And the native gray treefrogs that we can hear outside at night, their call is MUCH louder than the darts.
 

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I have a breeding pair of leucs +1 of their offspring in a 29g with no vents on it. I used 1/4 inch glass to make the front (its a vert). I cant hear them over my TV or in another room. The 1/4 inch glass probably helps a bit. Also when my male calls it tends to be in the morning right before their lights come on till about 20 mins after they are on. And again right before they go off. I dont know about anyone elses Leucs but mine don't call all day. On the other hand my Varaderos, they are loud. I can hear them in my bathroom with the door closed and the male never shuts up. My family can hear him "screaming" from the laundry room which is one room over from mine but separated by a concrete block foundation with a regular sized door frame cut into it, no door tho. They don't have 1/4 inch glass.
Really :eek: I thought the Leucs would be louder than the Varaderos considering the huge difference is size. I used 6mm glass too so I hope it buffers the sound if I put frogs in there. This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for and I thank you and all the others for sharing your experience.

Yeah that frog in the video would leave me homeless :eek: I would get kicked out so quick . Lol. He's cool :cool:

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My leucs are loud! I have 2 males and a female in a 46g bowfront at the bottom of the stairs. I can here them at top of the stairs through the bathroom door. I can here them from pretty much anywhere in the house but the sound is pleasant. Its only annoying when I want to sleep in and they start singing at 7 am on Sunday morning. Even with my bedroom door closed, they wake me up.

If you are worried about the sound, go with a pair of tincs. I have a couple breeding tinctorious pairs and have yet to hear a call from any of them.

My only 'thumbnail' frogs are Amazonicus and I can barely here their call. And yes they are full grown and are smaller than a Azureus froglet the day it comes out of the water.
 
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