[davy]

the tought of getting a large tank was playing a long time in my head and now i've got it. i chose a tank (cm) 100*50*70. the frogs that i want to house in it are amazonicus and my couple aff. hahneli.

then the works could start, first i've build a closet.

tank arrived

hidden the pump and heater.

placed the wood and rocks

now was the question is the stream going to run like i wanted and yes.

a few days later my plants arrived and the tank could be finished.

some pic of the plants

 

[davy]

yeah he's freshley planted, so it needs a lot of growing in to do.
but i'm pleased.

 

[davy]

why should'nt i place them together. combies of frogs can go good. i just need to observe them.

 

[davy]

indeed i think that there is a big difference in keeping darts in europe and in america.
i know several people who have combinations in their tanks and both species breed so what's the problem then? if the frogs don't be agressive to another species then i don't have any problems with it.

 

[davy]

no problem, like you say everyone has his own opinion.

 

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thanks for the comments.
I placed my group of amazonicus in the tank on sunday and yesterday i found clutches everywhere. but they all gone bad, first time they breed.
pictures will be posted in a few weeks so you can see the difference in plant grow.
now i'm looking for a 2.2 ameerega hahneli to place in the tank with the amazonicus.

 

[davy]

especially germany is ahead on everything, special species, special plants.
but the states have easier acces to frogs i think.
that has to been a hell of train trip you really are addicted haha

 

[davy]

by then my jungle will be nicely grown in. maybe you can come and take a look at it. i'm going to post some pics in the weekend.

 

[davy]

Re: my jungle update frogs

my amazonicus are in the paludarium for two weeks now and i start finding the first clutches (bad ones but it's a start)
here some pics of my group

this evening i've placed my couple aff. hahneli in there to. so i can restyle their small breeding tank during my vacation.
the male started calling from the moment i released him and you can see that he's making his territorium.

 

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some pictures of the plants growing

java mos

java mos

davallia fern getting new leaves

philodendron laciniatum making new leaves

marcgravia rektifolia finding his way up the big piece of wood

marcgravia spec peru

climber photos

neoregelia ampullacea

next to the stream marcgravia sintenisii

 

[davy]

they are called "jungle pods" that are nut shells. you can find them in the better dartfrogshops.

 

[davy]

both species (amazonicus and aff. hahneli) are breeding in the large tank so if there aren't any territorial issues i don't see what the problem is in mixing species.
i would like to know why it's that big of a no no on the other side of the ocean. here in europe i know a lot of breeders that keep dendrobates species together with ranitomeya's and even with pumilio's with succes.
but the tank will be used to house a juvinile group of bassleri sisa that are 5 months old. my amazonicus are going away and my pair of aff hahneli are going back in there smaller breeding tank.s
from the bassleri's i want to keep a trio or two pairs for the 92 gallon showtank.

 

[davy]

thanks for the reactions.
if people want to discus on the mixing thing in tanks yeah do it in the treats started for it. it's my tank and it's my choice witch frogs i'll put in there.

now on the question about the tubing. normally it's not possible to get something stuck in the tubing. there's a seperated room for the waterpump in the viv. also the waterpump is completly surrounded by filtermaterial so i don't worry about getting something in the tube.
if it happends i'm scr*wed and it will be a tank without a stream.

today i went to a local orchid breeder and got me some nice peruvian specimens.
following list
*masdevallia coriacea
*masdevallia polysticta
*masdevallia ionocharis
*zootrophion atropurpureus
*stelis spec

here some pics
masdevallia polysticta

zootrophion atropurpureus

stelis spec.

masdevallia ionocharis

masdevallia coriacea

i didn't like the left side much before, not enough plants, this is the left side now after the planting

 

[davy]

some pictures. first the plants

a total one from the beginning and one like it was last week.

 

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then the new additions. my aff hahneli are back in there small tank.
my iquitos ventris are sold and i've bought me a group of 6 bassleri sisa's. they are around 6 months old but they are still very shy. i hope this goes away.
here some pics

 

[davy]

yeah i love climbing plants. marcgravia, photos, syngonium, philodendron.
i like these more then the ficus spec.

 

[davy]

thanx for the reactions
I've put in some more leaf litter as some of you adviced me that should show the bassleri more but so far no result.
i really hope this is going to change caus it's a shame to have a nice tank and no frogs to look at.
thinking about trading them for some iquitos hahneli.

 

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some pictures of the growth of the plants and one of my bassleri sisa. they stay shy.

 

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no i don't hear them calling yet. and yes like you say, when the lights go out they become active. if they stay so shy i'm going to switch them for a group of iquitos hahneli. i'm only keeping ameerega spec. for the moment. i think the behavior is wonderfull to follow. if they aren't shy. my aff. hahneli spec isn't shy at all and is breeding nicely. 11 froglets and about 40 tads swimming. so it's going nicely.

about the marcgravia, the new pieces are red. once they are fully grown the red disapearce. i like the set up a lot to. but i would love to get some more syngonium in there. hope it spreads out some more.

 

[davy]

I had orderd me some more syngonium and a cicus amazonica. they arrived today so i've planted them. just one question. i've placed my syngonium in de shadow of the philodendron. will it get enough light there or do i beter place them somewhere else.
here some pics. not the best quality.