[New]

I am a beginner to the world of dart frogs, and am in the process of setting up a 12x12x18 vivarium. Ive heard a lot about the danger of un "pure" frogs and hybrids and am wondering why no one buys them/why they are a big deal? on a side note what would be a good number/type of dart frog (I dont want auratus )

 

[evolvstll]

Nice first post....

I used the 'search' feature near the top of the page using (mixed species, hybrids,etc ) and found all of these..........enjoy the read.

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/27177-hybrids-poll.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/68908-what-deal-mixing-frogs.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/31709-mixing-morphs.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/members-frogs-vivariums/38335-crossbreeds-update.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/44398-why-inter-breeding-so-bad.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/br...-accidental-hybrid-inter-breeding-update.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/56009-mixing-can-done-tons-pictures.html

 

[poison beauties]

pretty sure this is just a post meant to start another war on here but as for the viv size I would go bigger or lose the idea of how many. That vivs too small for even a pair of most adult darts to thrive in. Id forget about tincs, auratus, terribs, galacts and pretty much anything terrestrial.

Michael

 

[evolvstll]

pretty sure this is just a post meant to start another war on here but as for the viv size I would go bigger or lose the idea of how many. That vivs too small for even a pair of most adult darts to thrive in. Id forget about tincs, auratus, terribs, galacts and pretty much anything terrestrial.

Michael

Yup figured that. Posting the links to see that the thread would fade away.
Figured the mention of tank size is another attempt at being a war starter.

 

[Woodsman]

Very first post a flame-thrower!

 

[Scott Richardson]

Way to be helpful guys

New,
Because there are many morphs of the same species, People try to keep the different morphs seperate so the different morph lines remain pure, and people know what frogs they are buying and where the frogs are from.

Hybrid frogs could be confused as one morph or another, and after a few generations, you would have a frog that does not resemble the morph line at all.

There is no market for designer morphs or hybrids in the hobby as in say the gecko hobby, so why bother. If you raise hybrids, you will not find a buyer for them.

You are not going to get very many helpful answers on this thread, as most act like children and revert to name calling and hostility whenever the subject comes up.

I suggest leaving the topic alone. The links provided are bashing sessions, don't waste your time reading them, take my explaination and drop it.

Oh, Welcome to the board

 

[Jellyman]

If you have serious questions feel free to send me a PM.

 

[Scott Richardson]

If you have serious questions feel free to send me a PM.

Wonderful!!!!!!!!!! three members contributed with name calling, now Jellyman will be giving advise.

This is why answering the question even though it comes up every week is necessary.

 

[Boondoggle]

Wonderful!!!!!!!!!! three members contributed with name calling, now Jellyman will be giving advise.

Name calling? I saw one member give a bit of realistic advice and another go to the trouble of researching and posting 7 previous threads where this was discussed. A flame-thrower is a post that starts flame wars, which this topic often does. I don't see any name calling.

 

[Scott Richardson]

pretty sure this is just a post meant to start another war on here but as for the viv size I would go bigger or lose the idea of how many. That vivs too small for even a pair of most adult darts to thrive in. Id forget about tincs, auratus, terribs, galacts and pretty much anything terrestrial.

Michael

evolvstll Re: Mixing Species Help!

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Originally Posted by poison beauties
pretty sure this is just a post meant to start another war on here but as for the viv size I would go bigger or lose the idea of how many. That vivs too small for even a pair of most adult darts to thrive in. Id forget about tincs, auratus, terribs, galacts and pretty much anything terrestrial.

Michael

Yup figured that. Posting the links to see that the thread would fade away.
Figured the mention of tank size is another attempt at being a war starter.

 

[evolvstll]

So really? A first post that includes so many inflammatory topics? Someone that appears to have read enough to ask about mixing and then doesn't know not to put desired frogs in a 12x12x18? Really?

 

[Ed]

So really? A first post that includes so many inflammatory topics? Someone that appears to have read enough to ask about mixing and then doesn't know not to put desired frogs in a 12x12x18? Really?

Along these lines, if people bothered to check out his cp page, one can readily see that he has checked out the thread to see if the flame war has started....

As far as I can tell, we have one troll starting the war and another one starting a second front.... intentional or not...

 

[poison beauties]

Wonderful!!!!!!!!!! three members contributed with name calling, now Jellyman will be giving advise.

This is why answering the question even though it comes up every week is necessary.

What in the hell did I say wrong? ive seen enough of these posts to know when it sounds like the spark on an oncomming firestorm but you seem to be the one who is pouring gas on it. Are you the OP? sure sounds like it to me thought if Im wrong it just means you wanted to fan the flames.

I simply made a statement on my view of the post before contributing the portion evolvstll decided to leave out. Two subjects both heated and you think we are the problem.

like I said, 12x12x18 = too small and most know it to even bring up the numbers game.

And by the way if this guy NEW is wanting to mix, Jelly is the go to guy! Atleast hes not sending hybrids out to people like others have.

Michael

 

[Jellyman]

Wonderful!!!!!!!!!! three members contributed with name calling, now Jellyman will be giving advise.

This is why answering the question even though it comes up every week is necessary.

I offer help to anyone interested. Posts like this are designed to start flame wars. I have yet to receive a PM from the OP. When individuals are honestly looking for advise on setting up a mixed enlosure they typically contact me within a few hours. These threads are typically started to put down mixing but they actually increase the amount of people contacting me for advise and suggestions.

 

[Woodsman]

This is a nonsense post, certainly.

Most of the flame wars are started by people (such as yourself), who will mix no matter what anyone says. You're not happy enough mixing your own frogs; like religion, you seem to feel that everyone else has to conform to your personal belief system.

I've been around long enough now to know that this is true.

Richard.

I offer help to anyone interested. Posts like this are designed to start flame wars. I have yet to receive a PM from the OP. When individuals are honestly looking for advise on setting up a mixed enlosure they typically contact me within a few hours. These threads are typically started to put down mixing but they actually increase the amount of people contacting me for advise and suggestions.

 

[boabab95]

I've gotta say, i was surprised to see that the username "NEW'' wasn't taken yet...

now...

Wonderful!!!!!!!!!! three members contributed with name calling, now Jellyman will be giving advise.

This is why answering the question even though it comes up every week is necessary.

I don't know about everyone else, but it seems like you, Scott, are the one constantly starting the fights because of comments like these...

just my observation.

 

[Scott Richardson]

I've gotta say, i was surprised to see that the username "NEW'' wasn't taken yet...

now...


I don't know about everyone else, but it seems like you, Scott, are the one constantly starting the fights because of comments like these...

just my observation.

Very good observation!!!! I am not trying to start a fight however. My point is everyone is tired of hearing about this topic. So no one wants to explain why the majority are against it, and think because they all said no that the OP won't mix. But there are members like Jellyman (who is open about his views on mixing and hybrids, which is his rights) who take the time to explain how to mix. So by not explaining, you are in a sense pushing them to go ahead and do it. Because the only ones taking the time to explain it are telling them it is ok.

 

[poison beauties]

This is a nonsense post, certainly.

Most of the flame wars are started by people (such as yourself), who will mix no matter what anyone says. You're not happy enough mixing your own frogs; like religion, you seem to feel that everyone else has to conform to your personal belief system.

I've been around long enough now to know that this is true.

Richard.

Absolutely, You are spot on about the hybrid issues. I noticed though my take on packing frogs into small vivs went unanswered by you again. Whats this question #how many thousand.......You talk and teach regularly on cramming tinc pairs into tens and yet you go after another person involved in a heated issue? Your as big a hypocrite as any of us.
Im really surprised you didnt tell the OP to message you about how many frogs really can fit into a small viv. You seem to be the poster boy of that war....

Yeah I know I just fanned the flames too. But Im special......
Michael

 

[Jellyman]

This is a nonsense post, certainly.

Most of the flame wars are started by people (such as yourself), who will mix no matter what anyone says. You're not happy enough mixing your own frogs; like religion, you seem to feel that everyone else has to conform to your personal belief system.

I've been around long enough now to know that this is true.

Richard.

You must not read any of the debates. I think it is great that hobbiest want to maintain pure lines. I think there is plenty of room in this hobby for both. I have never tried to pursuade any of the "non mixers" to do anything differently with ther frogs. So who exactly am I trying to make conform to "my beliefs"? I give out advise to those that ask based on my experience. If they choose to mix great if not then no skin off my nose. I just do not think that false statements are acceptable to justify an opinion.

 

[Brotherly Monkey]

lol.......