Dendroboard banner
1 - 8 of 8 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
915 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I have about 30 3L iso cultures on top of my rack containing vivs and frogs.The isos are doing incredibly well. They get a degree of heat from the lights underneath,which has caused me no issues with culture drying or productivity.
Next to this part of the rack i have a cupboard,also integral to the rack,where i keep our ff cultures,again with heat below,from said lights.I'd like to act preventatively ,by using some mite paper below the cultures. Essentially,the lights are separated from the cultures by 5mm pvc foam board
My simple question is this:
Will this heat cause the mite paper sat underneath the cultures to give off harmful fumes,that might be an issue to the frogs housed below them?
As always thanks in advance for all help,
regards
Stu
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
797 Posts
I wouldn't think that the paper would give off any fumes. I am assuming that it is not hot enough to ignite the paper, correct? Then you might have quite a bit of trouble with fumes! :)

If you have an IR temp gun, see how hot the surface is and let us know - it might be a useful tidbit of information. My 2 shillings of uninformed guesswork says that you're probably OK.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
915 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Thanks Steven,very greatful.The paper i'm intending on using is made over in the US,i'm in England,UK. I bought it from our only specialist,amphibian supplier.It is the blue paper containing an active ingredient of propoxur,1%.I was told that i would be fine to use it ,by the shop owner,whom is very knowledgeable about darts etc,and has a similar rack set up to myself,although he does not culture like i do on top,of the rack.Unfortunately i don't have an IR gun to measure temp.But i do have a thermometer with a probe,this is giving a reading of 74F,that will rise gradually through the day i guess maybe 2or3degrees F,following the pattern of my rooms temperature cycle.
Steven i'm in really perplexed by this one,i'm warey becuase we are taught to avoid pesticides etc around our frogs,and my more knowledgeable, friends are clearly grouped into ".don't do this",and "yeah it should be fine".
I'm in our first breeding season,which has been wonderful,we didn't really think of a breeding season this year at all,but now we have lots of little friends comming ootw,i want to step up my game as the springtails are so crucial now ,so thought this preventative measure would be a good "husbandry" move. I would hate to be found wanting with our little froglets,due to a crash caused by mites which i could have avoided. As above these 2 culturing sites have been working really well for us,to the extent that our over production has lead to us being able to help out mates when they have had problems,so i'm loth to change things too much.
Thanks so much for your help
regards
Stu
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
797 Posts
Hey Stu,

The mite paper you mentioned contained propoxur (Propoxur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Several US states have petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to use propoxur against bedbug infestations, but the EPA has been reluctant to approve indoor use because of its potential toxicity to children after chronic exposure.[5]
This may or may not be more toxic or dangerous than other products used such as mite powder and avian mite/lice spray on paper towel. The mite spray I used contained pyrethrin, a neurotoxin. (Pyrethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Another chemical used in mite powders is permethrin, also a neurotoxin. (Permethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I think you are just going to either move your cultures to another place where you feel more comfortable or accept the risk that using these chemicals means.

You may have some success contacting Susan (earthfrog) and asking her about a more environmentally safe mite-prevention method.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
253 Posts
I only use the blue mite paper on the very first shelf of my racks where I store my cultures and so far I haven't had any problems. The paper does have a chemical smell to it that sometimes seems stronger than others, but again, I haven't had any problems thus far.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
915 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Hey Stu,

The mite paper you mentioned contained propoxur (Propoxur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

This may or may not be more toxic or dangerous than other products used such as mite powder and avian mite/lice spray on paper towel. The mite spray I used contained pyrethrin, a neurotoxin. (Pyrethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Another chemical used in mite powders is permethrin, also a neurotoxin. (Permethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I think you are just going to either move your cultures to another place where you feel more comfortable or accept the risk that using these chemicals means.

You may have some success contacting Susan (earthfrog) and asking her about a more environmentally safe mite-prevention method.
Again Steven thankyou,i might,just continue how i'm going i think in the light of what you've just said,i don't have major problems at all,just wanted to try and take some preventative steps,really.Our system is working really well for us,but it is getting bigger slowly and with it the risks and the stakes i guess.I'm not really up for taking undue risks to prevent a problem i don't yet have,thankyou for all the help and the links
regards
Stu
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
915 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
I only use the blue mite paper on the very first shelf of my racks where I store my cultures and so far I haven't had any problems. The paper does have a chemical smell to it that sometimes seems stronger than others, but again, I haven't had any problems thus far.
Cheers for the imput Mrfusion,i'm curious,how far is the paper from the frogs,and how long have they been at this distance.I'm going to wait i think,and find our more,before using this paper,i'm an organic type person anyway,and with these frogs being so sentiive this stuff scares me.If i have to act at some stage i do have this ready. I really appreciate your help sir thankyou ,
regards
Stu
 
1 - 8 of 8 Posts
Top