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I am in the process of wrapping up a 40g breeder build - should be done within the next few days.

I think I want to put pumilio in here, but I'm looking for suggestions, based on the following criteria:

1) I want a species on the larger end of the pumilio spectrum
2) I want a species on the bolder end of the pumilio spectrum
3) I know this third factor may be tough because I've heard more than a pair is tricky, but I'm looking for a (possible) species that will do well with 3 or 4 in the tank.

Thanks!
 

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Easy. go with El dorado
You could go with 1.2. 40 is a good size but keep an eye on them. If you see signs of aggression between the females your going to have to separate them.
 

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Or you could get a bigger frog, does it have to be a pum? You did say you think you want pumilio, keep in mind to build the viv to suit the frogs. Obligates as a whole should be kept males one to a viv, you can go with multiple females. Blue and Black Jeans are among the biggest.
Or you could get any number of ranitomeya athat are bigger and suited for the 40.

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I would actually suggest Bastimentos if you can find them. Bigger, bolder and with more color variety than the typical Pum.
 

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Bastis and El Dorados are both good choices... one thing to keep in mind is that since the parents will be raising the froglets, you'll have more than just a pair in there at one time when they start breeding.
 

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keep in mind to build the viv to suit the frogs.
I've been building it with pumilios in mind. Nice large water-holding broms and lots of ground area for hunting. Also going to have some nice ground cover plants in general.
 

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Bastis and El Dorados are both good choices... one thing to keep in mind is that since the parents will be raising the froglets, you'll have more than just a pair in there at one time when they start breeding.
I like both of these. And yes, I was wondering, if I have a 1.2, will that cause problems with breeding?
 

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I love my El Dorados. I have 1.1.3 and they are pretty bold and make beautiful music. They put me to sleep at night and wake me up in the morning. :D

The oldest froglet has been moved to her own tank. Not because there were any problems, but, because I wanted to make sure they had enough room. They are in a 20g vert. I moved her at 5 months OOW. The others are 5-6 months OOW now and I'm not seeing any aggression from either of the adults.

Don't know if that tells you anything, but, it gave me a chance to talk about my pums. :p
 

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i like the look of el dorados, but the possibility of having multiple colors of the same species of bastis seems pretty cool as well. going to be a tough decision...
 

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Black jeans are awesome, but pricey. They have become my absolute favorites, even over the blue jeans, el dorados, bastis, and cristobals.

If you do decide on el dorados, I have some extra adults.
 

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Black jeans are awesome, but pricey. They have become my absolute favorites, even over the blue jeans, el dorados, bastis, and cristobals.

If you do decide on el dorados, I have some extra adults.
cool man, I will definitely keep that in mind :)
 

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I agree with Jim. If you can afford black jeans, get them. They are sweet and really bold.
 

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what kind of price are we talking here?
 

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Froglets will cost you around $250 to $300 each. I can't venture a guess as to the price of sexed adults, but they'd probably run close to $1,000 for a sexed pair.

Also, I have heard that black jeans might be re-classified and no longer considered pumilio.
what kind of price are we talking here?
 

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Froglets will cost you around $250 to $300 each. I can't venture a guess as to the price of sexed adults, but they'd probably run close to $1,000 for a sexed pair.

Also, I have heard that black jeans might be re-classified and no longer considered pumilio.
Really??? What would they be classified as? A new specie or under the histo's or something?
 

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Froglets will cost you around $250 to $300 each. I can't venture a guess as to the price of sexed adults, but they'd probably run close to $1,000 for a sexed pair.

Also, I have heard that black jeans might be re-classified and no longer considered pumilio.
Okay, back to el dorados or bastis...haha. Thanks for the suggestion though. Maybe when I get out of law school and start pulling in decent $, I'll get black jeans.
 
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