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Hi everyone,
Is it a bad idea to keep more than one pair of pums in a tank? Also, on the recent imports, how many of them are coming in with worms? Would you give them a course of panacure or do you think they would be clean? Thanks.

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I think it is better to keep a pair in each tank. The males are pretty territorial. They are coming in pretty clean, a friend of mine did a fecal on his, and didnt find anything. Dr. Frye also did fecals on pumilio, I think they were for the U. Mich. study but I am not sure, and they came out pretty clean.
 
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wow, I'm surprised that the fecals have come out clean, that's amazing. I guess that's what you get with farm-raised.

oh and everything I've read stated better success with one pair per tank. If you want to have more than a pair you need a large tank that's heavily planted.
 

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It's a bad idea to assume that the farm-raised pumilio are coming in clean--that certainly was not the experience that at least one of my friends had with his recently imported pumilio a few months ago. I believe he bought about 12+, and had some that were not gaining weight.

He sent Dr. Maus some fecals, and they definitely DID have a parasite load. After the course of treatments and confirmation fecals, I have to tell you that his pumilio definitely look much more robust. If you are going to pay $100+ for a frog, I would recommend paying the $10 per frog to have fecals run.
 

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I was in a hurry last night when I replied. I agree with homer that it is a bad idea to assume they dont have parastites. I havent gotten anydone on mine because mine have good body weight and are active, but I will probably get some fecals done soon. It is a good idea to get fecals done.
 

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it is also a good idea to have lots of springtails ready in case they start losing weight, as some of the farmraised pumilio arent eating flies.
 

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I'd only put one pair of pumilio in a 16 inch cube. If you were housing them in, say, a 40 gallon breeder, then I think 2 pair would be ok.
 
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I have a 2.1 green pumilios and they are in a 20 vert.They had been getting along fine until about a week ago.The males were having calling duels up until last week when they started wrestling .
I have the day off today and set up a temporary viv for the extra male so I have been watching them closely so when the male I want to pull gets in a good position I will catch him so the pair won't be botherd by him. The way it is looking to me is that having 2 males won't work out with the alpha male trying to breed with the female and also keep the subordinate male away.Very cool behavior to watch.
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Wow, talk about lucky !!
I went over to the viv and all three of my pums were sitting on their favorite brom and the one I wanted to catch was in the axil.I used a 1" diameter piece of clear tube and put it over the male and he just jumped right in.
The female is now backed into a base of a leaf and I am hoping she will lay shortly.The male is there right in front of her calling like crazy.
I am thankful for the day off to watch this for sure :lol:
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I'd only put one pair of pumilio in a 16 inch cube. If you were housing them in, say, a 40 gallon breeder, then I think 2 pair would be ok.
I wouldn't put two pair even in a tank that size. My pumilio have been set up in a 36"x36"x18" viv for years and when there were two males in the viv, I got no reproduction. Both males and females can be very territorial in pumilio and even if they are getting along, will often eat each other's egg clutches. So if you want them to reproduce, put a single pair in the largest viv possible.
 

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In response to Gecko Guys post. The frogs Dr Frye did fecals on were for a project of a associate of ours at Michigan State University and the initial fecals that were run found almost nothing in them. All of these frogs were collected with educational permits and were not fom the "frog Farming'' group of frogs that are now being imported.

A later fecal found some stuff but still not the load levels that would be expected in wild caught frogs.

Almost all the color forms that were brought in are either breeding or have froglets out of the water already.

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that sounds very cool, is there a website that has some more information on this project and what methods are being used to breed them?
 
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