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histrionicus and lehmanii: why so rare?

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I already know lehmann and harlequin dart frogs are hard to get because of the issues in Columbia right now. (except if you want drugs! :D )

However, I read off a website on a guy who kept histris that they aren't too difficult to keep, just as long as they are kept cool like a mantella; if you get them past the dreaded "wild caught stress" condition. However, raising the neonates has proved nearly impossible for him. He said that they were fine for a few months, then died. This was the only information on a personal experience with these anurans, I have failed to find any other information out on the web.

I think Black Jungle has a few of them, but I don't think they breed any for commercial sale.
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eggfeeders are rare

Histrionicus was imported fairly regularly in the late 80s early 90s. We used to go down and pick through shipments of red heads, bullseye, and saddle patterned ones. 10 lots were $25 each. Then for a short period the Ecuadorian histos were imported for around $30. Then the importations stopped. So it has been almost a decade since these species were available in the US, granted there have been some imported from Europe but not hundreds like before.

Most of the histos that came in probably died due to parasites and stress of shipping. I've unpacked frogs shipped together where the toxins secreted gave the box an odd smell and the frogs were "sticky". They probably toxed each other out. Seen this with pumilio as well.

Also the shipments were heavy in males, may be due to the fact that the male calls and sounds like a duck.

Histrionicus are incredibly diverse in color and pattern, from those that have been to Columbia can attest, they change from one valley to the next, and even within populations there is variability. The white foots, such as black jungle has, can also come in yellow. Both colors from the same population.

So given the fact that most frogs died, not too many females and differing looking frogs, it was very difficult to get pairs.

For those who breed these frogs, most keep them just like everything else in their collections. Just provide bromeliads for rearing the young. There are many breeders who produce eggfeeders without large enclosures and cool temperatures. Even 10 gallon tanks work.

The production of young is very small in number and there seems to be a window around 3-4 months when the juvies are most delicate and may persih with no outward reason. Given all this the frogs that actually fall into a surplus category are usually offered as trade for others. Not too many for sale.

I have not encoutered lehmanni in import shipments but many breeders who work with both of these species breed and rasie them under identical environments.

Just some thoughts
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yeah, that explains it

That must explain why this person had them die unexpectably once the neonates reached 3-4 months. I would like to get an egg feeder, but the cost of those critters is more than what I can afford, and if I don't keep buying carnivorous plants!
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