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I think most would assume a CB animal to be nice and clean with no scratches in the colored areas, WC animals tend to be scratched up a bit by the time they arrive or at least a % do. That's why I like to go through imports, to find those that look like they could have been CB, where the colored areas are nice and clean.
Now FR vs WC vs CB, we all know there are varying degrees of how these terms are interpreted. I think most people assume FR frogs out of Costa Rica would be like our CB frogs in tanks, obviously this is not the case but are they also "farming" in the manner of Panamanians (but in much smaller numbers), I would say that is definitely possible.
Right, but, wouldn't a FR animal imported from Costa Rica go through the same "scratching up" as a WC frog during the importation process?

I guess I can see that perhaps the WC frogs might get a little more roughed up during capture and transport to whatever sort and packing facility, but I doubt there is enough of a difference that the person who I originally questioned could tell the difference.

Once they're packed in those tiny deli cups and shipped here is when they endure the most stress and physical abuse.

There is certainly a difference in the CB vs WC or FR.

Basically I think that comment was a thinly veiled attempt to rehash the debate about wether or not these frogs are FR or WC. That's a fine debate to have BTW.
 

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Perhaps a new thread and trying not to derail but packaging a frog for shipment even for export should not create the look some WC have when imported. I don't think most of these frogs look this way due to being caught and held, most imports don't look to have fresh scrapes but it seems more a function of growing up in the wild and the tribulations there in.
Maybe some of these frogs have a scratched pattern as part of their variability, but in the case of Armson's frog, would that frog always produce a solid red backed frog or could there be black inclusions in the red color pattern, those that are not the black/blue spotting we see in some "strawberry darts". I think a round of photos of offspring from these imports would tell us a lot, hopefully we will see a decent sampling of babies out of these guys and the other CR imports over the next few months by which we can at least make some assumptions. As long as adult frogs that have a scratched up look are imported, many will look at them with a certain opinion.
 

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Perhaps a new thread and trying not to derail but packaging a frog for shipment even for export should not create the look some WC have when imported. I don't think most of these frogs look this way due to being caught and held, most imports don't look to have fresh scrapes but it seems more a function of growing up in the wild and the tribulations there in.
Maybe some of these frogs have a scratched pattern as part of their variability, but in the case of Armson's frog, would that frog always produce a solid red backed frog or could there be black inclusions in the red color pattern, those that are not the black/blue spotting we see in some "strawberry darts". I think a round of photos of offspring from these imports would tell us a lot, hopefully we will see a decent sampling of babies out of these guys and the other CR imports over the next few months by which we can at least make some assumptions. As long as adult frogs that have a scratched up look are imported, many will look at them with a certain opinion.
Well I have 3 eggs currently developing with the parents looking very attentive. Hopefully I'll be able to answer some of those questions for us in the next few months Mark! ;)
 

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Perhaps a new thread and trying not to derail but packaging a frog for shipment even for export should not create the look some WC have when imported. I don't think most of these frogs look this way due to being caught and held, most imports don't look to have fresh scrapes but it seems more a function of growing up in the wild and the tribulations there in.
Maybe some of these frogs have a scratched pattern as part of their variability, but in the case of Armson's frog, would that frog always produce a solid red backed frog or could there be black inclusions in the red color pattern, those that are not the black/blue spotting we see in some "strawberry darts". I think a round of photos of offspring from these imports would tell us a lot, hopefully we will see a decent sampling of babies out of these guys and the other CR imports over the next few months by which we can at least make some assumptions. As long as adult frogs that have a scratched up look are imported, many will look at them with a certain opinion.
Mark,

They came in with marks and scratches due to two things.

1.) Being kept outside in screened enclosures.

2.) Staying longer then expected in the deli cups. USFWS was supposed to clear them on a Fri and didn't show up until Mon.

Each shipment, more and more of any of the issues are being fixed and at some point in the future they will come in "perfect". It's a lot easier here to just raise frogs up in a glass cage and throw in a deli cup and ship overnight, ten it is down there. So as long as they are imported, they may have some scars from that process. However, this next shipment we hope to have the delay during shipping greatly reduced, and hopefully improvements on the outdoor enclosures start to show as well.
 
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