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I got my little azureus. Thanks Erin and Dave for accomidating me. Heres the thing though... just for people who might want to get it across the border LEGALLY. If an animal is wild caught, you can get a permit approved quite easily unless you are looking for a lynx or a bear. However, if it is captive bred, (as mine was) a permit must go to Washington D.C for approval, and will usually take 6-8 weeks. So, i just put it at my feet as we crossed the border, and got no trouble.
(if they had searched the vehicle, it most likely would have been seized)

Anyways, my question is, about spring tails. I havent tried feeding him, as Dave said he was fed lots before i got him. (im planning to try today)
And i am curious. He is about 1.5cm right now, yet i have no clue how the spring tails are supposed to give him any sustinance.. They are TINY!

i have fruit flies and pinhead crickets as well though..


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Its my limited experience in Casino trips to Windsor that they dont care what i bring to Canada. It could be an invasion and the Canadian guards would be like "aye come on through". On the way back though, I recommend not smuggling anything.
 

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No offense, but did you think about what would happen to your 'little azureus' if he had gotten seized? His name would now probably be 'little raisin'.

Hopefully you will look for a canadian dart frog breeder the next time you want to buy some frogs. Or, at least think twice before you admit to a crime on a public forum.

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Geofft said:
I got my little azureus. Thanks Erin and Dave for accomidating me. Heres the thing though... just for people who might want to get it across the border LEGALLY. If an animal is wild caught, you can get a permit approved quite easily unless you are looking for a lynx or a bear. However, if it is captive bred, (as mine was) a permit must go to Washington D.C for approval, and will usually take 6-8 weeks. So, i just put it at my feet as we crossed the border, and got no trouble.
(if they had searched the vehicle, it most likely would have been seized)

Anyways, my question is, about spring tails. I havent tried feeding him, as Dave said he was fed lots before i got him. (im planning to try today)
And i am curious. He is about 1.5cm right now, yet i have no clue how the spring tails are supposed to give him any sustinance.. They are TINY!

i have fruit flies and pinhead crickets as well though..


thanks
Geoff
 
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well... since its such a serious crime.. maybe i will think twice about sharing my experieince!

thanks for the eye opening advice!!
 
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You really think i am going to pay 110 bucks for an azureus, then pay 90 bucks shipping on top of that??? hell no.. im going to get an azureus for 50 from US.

and acctually, i did think about what would happen. If it had been seized, a Canadian Wildlife officer would have been called, to ascess the situation.. and either take it, or give it back. The problem also wasnt with Canada.. it was with the US. They have bitchy rules on export.

Also, what are the odds they are going to search the car of a family returning to their country, having declared other purchases...
 

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Since most of us on here are also animal lovers, I wanted to point out the possible consequences of your decision. Personally, I would not have wanted to risk the life of the frog, and would have chosen to purchase it from a Canadian breeder.

I am not commenting about the seriousness (or lack there of) of any crime, but your the decision you made could have killed the animal you were so excited to have purchased. That is why I said what I did.

Melis







Geofft said:
well... since its such a serious crime.. maybe i will think twice about sharing my experieince!

thanks for the eye opening advice!!
 
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in my opinion, the life of the frog was not threatened... and also, i would have got from a canadian breeder, but im young, live with my parents, and i am unemployed... so this LOW risk, risk was appropriate.
 

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Geofft said:
in my opinion, the life of the frog was not threatened... and also, i would have got from a canadian breeder, but im young, live with my parents, and i am unemployed... so this LOW risk, risk was appropriate.
Geoff,

Been there and did something similar with much higher risk when I was young involving a lizard, a carboard tube, and two international airports. So, I know that the desire to keep an animal can sometimes override what is best for the animal, the hobby, and the environment especially if finances are involved. However, I made a poor decision in smuggling this animal and it is something that I regret doing. Beyond the cost and welfare of this particular frog, there are reasons that these laws are in place and they go well beyond the health of this particular frog. What if you are introducing a disease into the Canadian breeding pool now? A lot of very dedicated intelligent people have come up with import/export laws regarding these exotic and also endangered and protected animals. The animal you are dealing with is protected not only by the laws or Canada and the US, but by international treaty. Might sound insignificant to you as far as your own personal risk is involved, but your actions have an effect beyond you and your frog. Next, those breeders who have gone through the effort of registering with CITES and your local government to deal with these animals legally need your support and financial encouragement to continue to do things the right way.

Not to sound harsh, but if you can't afford to do things right, then you should explore a different hobby. Second, if you are going to post it here for everyone to see, you are going to get both positive and negative feedback and should take it in stride :wink:. Finally, I don't know how many folks feed a diet exclusively of springtails; I think some do for juvenille frogs or thumbs, but don't know from personal experience. You should probably have some FF on hand as well. The only reason I say that is that springtails seem a little more elusive in that they can burrow into the substrate and aren't as easy to supplement with vitamins (from what I understand).

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He said at the bottom of his post that he has pins and ffs. I would certainly hope that he would not try to raise an Azureus on springtails alone. As far as the smuggling goes, i think he has the right to go for it. If the Canadian breeders are taxing him, and its either new hobby or smuggling. I say smuggle. I dont understand how a frog brought here, could be diseased any more or less than one bought there, assuming its the same species. I also agree with your right to disagree with his acts, and if you post on dendroboard, you better be prepared to have disagreements. Of course if you killed a frog, trying to smuggle it then I would be kind of dissapointed probably
 

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Jace,

What if you were smuggling pot, or some other cocaine, would it be ok then?

If a person chooses to break the law, then they should be willing for the consequences!

Melis





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He said at the bottom of his post that he has pins and ffs. I would certainly hope that he would not try to raise an Azureus on springtails alone. As far as the smuggling goes, i think he has the right to go for it. If the Canadian breeders are taxing him, and its either new hobby or smuggling. I say smuggle. I dont understand how a frog brought here, could be diseased any more or less than one bought there, assuming its the same species. I also agree with your right to disagree with his acts, and if you post on dendroboard, you better be prepared to have disagreements. Of course if you killed a frog, trying to smuggle it then I would be kind of dissapointed probably
 

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Agreed, do the crime and do the time, thats life. If someone wants to smuggle drugs into the country its different than frogs, Cocaine has no place here or there, but pot, I dont mind. Canada is a major illegal exporter of pot, and it really doesnt bother me much.
 

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I'm not saying you're right for doing what you did, but you should have made it more worth you're while, and got enough frogs to arrange a breeding pair...That way someday, (when you have offspring available) other fellow canadians wouldn't be so tempted to smuggle, and risk animal's lives, and probably a big fine to boot.
From what it sounds like though, it was mainly a family trip, so I can see if you just wanted one for you'reself, and were limited on funds.
Which brings me to another point...If it is that hard to come up with the money to buy an animal legally, perhaps this wouldn't be the best hobby for you. Not trying to discourage you, but there are more costs involved than just acquiring an animal.
Enjoy you're new frog!
 
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you dont get it. I have bought everything for the frog. I just want to get the best deal. The difference between 200 dollars and 50...so... thats alot of money.

Also, i was not planning on feeding springtails exclusively, that may have been what it sounded like. I plan to feed fruit flies and crickets but i was just comenting on the size of the spring tails... they look too small..
 

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Geofft said:
you dont get it. I have bought everything for the frog. I just want to get the best deal. The difference between 200 dollars and 50...so... thats alot of money.

Also, i was not planning on feeding springtails exclusively, that may have been what it sounded like. I plan to feed fruit flies and crickets but i was just comenting on the size of the spring tails... they look too small..
I do get it...I totally get it.

...I was just sayin'...
 

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As long as it's big enough for the frog to see it, the frog will eat it. They aren't too small, but i wouldn't try and use them as your only food source, but it sounds like you've got that covered.

Why are darts so expensive in Canada? Is it because there are a lot fewer breeders?
 

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I think that the Canadian government requirement that dart frog calls must be in both French and English has led to stressed out males and confused females...seriously limiting frog production :lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay gang, I am just kidding here so don't flame me :roll:

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Question: 200 canadian dollars, is that equal to 200 US dollars? I don't think it is. You see US books for like $3 and $5 Canadian. So does that mean they use US currency in Canada, I don't believe they do. So your $50 in US down here would be worth more than 50 Canadian dollars, correct? So 200 Canadian dollars would be worth how much US dollars? Do you see what I am asking?


Oh, and you said that it was 200 with shipping, so in US that frog with dhipping would be about $100, $50 for frog and $50 for shipping. So you got it for less, but you had to travel to do so. Seems like Canadain dollars is worth half as much as US, meaning for every $1 dollar, you have 2 Canadian dollars.
 

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Question: 200 canadian dollars, is that equal to 200 US dollars? I don't think it is. You see US books for like $3 and $5 Canadian. So does that mean they use US currency in Canada, I don't believe they do. So your $50 in US down here would be worth more than 50 Canadian dollars, correct? So 200 Canadian dollars would be worth how much US dollars? Do you see what I am asking?


Oh, and you said that it was 200 with shipping, so in US that frog with dhipping would be about $100, $50 for frog and $50 for shipping. So you got it for less, but you had to travel to do so. Seems like Canadain dollars is worth half as much as US, meaning for every $1 dollar, you have 2 Canadian dollars.
 
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