After waiting forever I finally have a pair of Varaderos. I was always worried about getting frogs too young. Talked to Patrick Nabors at Saurian.net he had a calling male but sold it the day I called about it. He said he had another male but was going on vacation so I had to wait. The the heat wave hit so he could'n't ship. Finally got a hold of me this week and said he had a pair if I wanted it. Had to jump on it. WOW these guys are great. Have to say they are my new favorite.