[JeremyHuff]

Does anyone know if these "throw" 100% giraffe morph? I ask, because if they were as prolific as the others, then why are they not coming in more often? Also, is this a distinct species?

 

[Ed]

At one time it was considered to be a seperate species but research done on it found that it was a population of the clowns with a different pattern. The reason we don't see them more is that they are from a country that closely controls exports.

There is a lot of variation in the patterns of the froglets that come out of the clutch. The exporter tried to get more money by seperating the variations and naming them as thier own morph using phrases like leopard and jaguar.

 

[bshmerlie]

At one time it was considered to be a seperate species but research done on it found that it was a population of the clowns with a different pattern. The reason we don't see them more is that they are from a country that closely controls exports.

There is a lot of variation in the patterns of the froglets that come out of the clutch. The exporter tried to get more money by seperating the variations and naming them as thier own morph using phrases like leopard and jaguar.

Does anybody have any idea of how many they were able to export?

 

[Logqan]

I agree that you should price them as you wish. This is your investment and they are something that has a lot of interest and they aren't common. I think you are right and they should not be priced low just because maybe they will have large amounts of offspring or because other locals are available. Obviously as someone who is interested in these frogs I would want you to sell them for one dollar but hey lets be realistic.
My statement from before still stands I was simply using darts as a reference point. Different locals can be priced different based on availability tree frog or not.
Best of luck with them and I hope they do well for you.
Logan

 

[asturianu]

Thanks Loggan. I appreciate it.

 

[asturianu]

An update for you guys. I have the giraffe in the RC and have been getting some sporadic calling...nothing too crazy. Even last night with the huge thunderstorm we had, still not too much action. It's only been a few days so I'm planning on leaving them in there for at least a week.

What do you guys think? If they don't breed while in there, I'm thinking I'll take them out and feed well again for a few weeks, then put them back in the RC. Usually, I've never had to do that. The frogs usually breed right away for me, but these guys are being little bastards.

I just wasn't sure if the female would get all messed up if I take them out and move them to the "dry" tank for a few weeks to refeed and then put her back into the RC a few weeks later.

 

[Ed]

Hi Nick.

If they don't go in a couple of days, I would pull them and move them to a cage where you can feed them up for at least another 3 or 4 weeks. If you are only getting sporadic calling that is often a sign that they don't have sufficient fat reserves to sustain calling, which if true would also indicate the females don't have the reserves to ovulate.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

Thanks for the help Ed. So in order to get their fat reserves up to where they need to be, should I just pull them in a few days like you said and feed for 3-4 weeks? Will heavy feeding accomplish this?

If so, how heavy of feeding?

 

[Ed]

If you need to beef them up, I would feed them daily for at least 2 weeks, preferably four weeks. After that point, if you can increase thier humidity, you should be able to get them into good condition. I wouldn't pull them just yet as they may still be acclimating a little.

 

[asturianu]

Sounds good! Thanks very much for the help. Just want to be sure I understood you correctly.

Feed daily for 4 weeks?

 

[Ed]

That is what I would try.

 

[asturianu]

About how many crickets per day should they be getting? I just want to be mindful of overfeeding.

Let's say for example: 3 frogs 2.1

How much food each day?

 

[Ed]

The problem with overfeeding when feeding a colony is that you can't prevent one frog from outcompeting another frog and gorging on the crickets (unless you hand feed each frog). I would start with around 6 crickets/frog if you are using 1/4 inch crickets and see how it goes.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

6 1/4 inch crickets per frog every day for four weeks! Got it!

Thanks!

 

[Ed]

If you see they aren't eating them you can reduce the number.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

Thanks for the help Ed!

 

[asturianu]

It's been 3 days in the RC with no eggs. There was some good calling happening the last two nights, but temps have dropped here to the 50s and the humidity level dropped as well. What do you guys think? Should I pull them?

 

[Ed]

Hi Nick,

Unless you are going to have a large storm front coming through in the next few days I would pull them out and start feeding them up.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

Thanks Ed. I've pulled them and going to feed them up.

I have a few questions regarding the pics I'm posting here. Do you notice how on some of these guys the giraffe pattern seems to stop suddenly? For some, it stops in very strange places too and then continues on. What do you think that is?

 

[Ed]

It could be just how the colors work during the day.. have you looked at them with a flashlight after they have been active after the lights have been off for awhile at night?

It could just be how the melanin is reduced during the day under the chromophores. It