[asturianu]

I received a group of these from Peru. I paid for them several years ago, but did not receive them. Several years later, here they are. Not sure on the logistics so please bare with me.

I'm also not sure whether they are Dendropsophus leucophyllatus "giraffe" or Dendropsophus triangulum. The person who sent them claims they're leucophyllatus, but I'm not sure.

Here's some pics.

Thanks,

Nick

 

[james67]

is it just me or does the one in the first pic look to be in BAD shape?

james

 

[asturianu]

She arrived in rough shape with some strange bacterial/funal skin condition. I treated her with Baytril OTIC and she looks much better now. The scars did not heal totally, but they don't look as bad.

 

[fieldnstream]

Wow....the holy grail of Dendropsophus species for many people. Both leucophyllata and triangulum are highly variable, but those look like textbook giraffe phase clowns. Would you be able to provide details of how you acquired them....I have talked to quite a few people who have spent years looking for these frogs (myself included). I wish you the best of luck with them!

 

[asturianu]

I'd rather not get into all the details about how I got them. It's complicated because as I mentioned before, they were owed to me before, but finally were brought in after several "discussions".

Any other thoughts on the species?

 

[Tony]

Glad to see you were able to get them. I tried to buy some a few months back, probably from the same guy, but he stopped responding to my emails when I asked how many he would have available and how much they would be. Sounds like I may have dodged a bullet.

 

[santoury]

Neat frogs!

 

[asturianu]

You definitely are better off not dealing with the trouble.

Thanks for the comments. I'm still not sure which species they are, but they are really nice!

 

[Ed]

Nick,

were these from the guy who was selling them as "leopard", jaguar and other "morphs"?

 

[asturianu]

Ed,

They were. What do you think these are?

 

[sports_doc]

Has some thought been made that the fungal skin condition might be Chytrid?

If so, a different line of treatment is needed of course.

 

[Tony]

Has some thought been made that the fungal skin condition might be Chytrid?

If so, a different line of treatment is needed of course.

In the cases of chytrid I have dealt with it has presented as a more or less uniform buildup of skin over the entire body, not patches like in that pic. Not to say that running them through a round of treatment would be a bad idea, there are no side effects to the lamisil method and I have made it part of my acclimation routine for imports.

 

[asturianu]

A step ahead of you Shawn. I had two vets, one who specializes in amphibians, take a look at some pics of these frogs. They both said that it looked like a bacterial/fungul skin condition, but not chytrid.

 

[Ed]

Ed,

They were. What do you think these are?

I think they are clowns. It should be pretty easy to get the males to call and make a definite id for at least the males.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

it's hard to id though because the clowns and triangulum have almost exactly the same call.

 

[Ed]

If you have access to a sonogram it will help.. If you want to look at the morphology, call or DNA check out this free pdf BioMed Central | Full text | Multi-character perspectives on the evolution of intraspecific differentiation in a neotropical hylid frog

Ed

 

[asturianu]

What do you mean? Record the call and then place it on a sonogram? I'm not very technologically inclined, but I could give it a try.

 

[Ed]

Yep.. the article I just linked to has sonograms so you could record it and compare. It also has morphometrics of both leucophyllatus and triangulum across thier range so it should held distinguish them apart.

Ed

 

[asturianu]

Thanks Ed. I will take a look at it. In your opinion, what would you guess they are?

 

[asturianu]

Here's some of the other giraffe.