Crossbreeds, update

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RedEyeTroyFrog

Discussion Starter · Mar 17, 2009

This is an update for some of my older cross breeds reaching sexual maturity. i currently have 6 in this stage.

first let me say that i hope there is no bashing on this post for the simple reason that these frogs have been listed on here a few times before and most of the ppl who look at these threads should understand my reason for these frogs. and its not for profit, but for curiosity and further knowledge on the tintorius morph. This thread was not to be an argument

What i have noticed is that, most of the frogs have been losing alot of the yellow and been replacing it with black. there are still a couple that have kept the full yellow head and alot on the sides. These ones happen to be most striking to me. I have also noticed their bellies brightening up a bit and looking really cool. so far the offspring seem to be male heavy. i am pretty sure i have a couple females, but the males toepads are really easy to see on these guys. I'm actually happy that this cross breed was produced, the reason being that i think its a beautiful morph, and not only that i think they are just beautiful creatures in general. These frogs are still in a 15 gallon, but i think since they have been together for so long they are still getting along, i plan on housing these frogs in the 150 gallon where they were born. i should be able to house quite a few of these puppys in there.

any way i took some pics today here they are.

sorry about all the pics i tried getting a good mix, heavy yellow/ mostly black, bellys, toes, and what not

-Troy

I'll get some pics of my azureus subs as well, ive got 8 right now and im pretty sure they are almost ready for some sexing, and ive got 7 azureus froglets, and still a ton of tads

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jackj921

· #30 · Mar 17, 2009

Re: Crossbreeds-Questions??????

As a "newbie" to dart frogs but a long long time tropical fish keeper, I have two question to ask.. "why are cross breeds looked at so harshly by dart frog keeps but not fish keepers?" Does that view keep the DF hobby from expanding?
As an example, with tropical fish there are those who love wild discus and there are those who love the new reds, blues, whites, oranges etc not found in the wild. Mollies, guppies, swordtails, angelfish also immediately come to mind with new color combinations (and even fin variations), yet the original wild versions still have a place in the hearts of many fish keepers. Do any "risks" associated with creating these man made color varieties of fish exist to the same degree with DF or is there some additional factor for frogs? Why is it highly "acceptable" (and desirable) for fish keepers to create new colors but a "sin" for DF keepers?
Would the DF hobby grow and expand or suffer if new color varieties of tincs were created by crossing different types? Why isn't there room in the DF hobby for both "pure breds" and colorful "mutts" at the same time? I guess I had more than two questions, but I think the views of some of the old timers to DF will make for an interesting discussion.

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jackj921

· #33 · Mar 18, 2009

I think both of you who replied to my questions have clearly and succinctly explained the reasoning for not crossing dart frog varieties in very few words? Thank You!!!!!
I also just thought of another reason-dart frogs ALREADY come in more color combinations that there really is no need to create "new" colors, unlike say discus where the wild versions are primarily brown, angelfish only being silver and black in the wild etc etc.
So why isn't this hobby more widespread? There is actually less work and equipment necessary in keeping frogs than fish. And by far, I am finding tadpoles much more tolerant of less than perfect water than discus fry, or angel fry etc.

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jackj921

· #44 · Mar 18, 2009

What would the conservationistas say to keeping and propagating and existing wild caught pair of hybrids. If there were a naturally occurring hybrid population in a very small area of Costa Rica would it be OK to acquire and breed them with a goal of expanding that population? Is the answer that if it occurs naturally it is OK but if humans create it, it is not?
When does a group of similar hybrids in the wild become a "morph"? (Is Darwin still alive?)
In my newbie view, with the small number of people who keep Darts today and the even smaller number of hybrids available to anyone, I think the weakest argument against hybrids is the remotely possible introduction into the wild, at least at the present time.

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