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What would you like to see different in the Dart Frog hobby?

  • Site specific frogs w/ paperwork?

    Votes: 39 41.5%
  • More companies like Understory Enterprise?

    Votes: 53 56.4%
  • More conservation efforts?

    Votes: 33 35.1%
  • A breeders Union for hobbiest?

    Votes: 8 8.5%
  • More trips to see the frogs in the wild?

    Votes: 9 9.6%
  • A revised/ more in depth dart frog book?

    Votes: 20 21.3%
  • More hobby related companies

    Votes: 17 18.1%
  • A US dart frog hobby newsletter/ magazine?

    Votes: 50 53.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.4%
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I'm curious to see what everyone would like to see different in the dart frog hobby. I've listed 9 choices and allowed you to pick 3 choices. If you choose other, please post on this thread and be specific in what your idea would be.

Also what I meant by more hobby related companies, I meant companies that are more than just frog/ plant companies

Please feel free to post your chocies and why if you would like!!!!
 

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I voted for the following:
Site specific frogs
More companies like Mark P.
Larger conservation efforts

Site specific frogs is very important because we need to make sure our genes are strong and specific to a region that way if a wild population is in need of help, we have something to reintroduce to that region or species as a whole.

We need more companies like Mark P. to bring in species to the hobby in an sustainable manner and create a less demand for smuggled frogs.

Conservation of dart frogs is huge...if they are gone from the wild we have none to bring into the hobby and the ones in the hobby will slowly get inbreed to a point that will result in the loss of that species if reintroduction doesn't happen. It's a way to also preserve the land, it's culture, and it's flora and fauna.

Those are my thoughts...like them or not that is what I would like to see.
 

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I voted for magazines or newsletter which I'm currently working on. PM or call me Chris and I will give you more details about my project. I also agree that we need to have more sources to import and export frogs. Not to be in direct competition with understory. I also want more conservation efforts for the habitats for our frogs.
 

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I dedicated one of my votes to "Other".

The care sheets are great, but lets face it, most new folks aren't going to read it and it's difficult for them to match a frog to the name. Saurian Enterprises has a really nice care sheet layout. A photograph as well as care information and region specifics etc all organized into an easy to read online rolodex. I would discourage a wikki approach, but a similar and more comprehensive list in one place would really be great. Especially with all the new stuff popping up.
 

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i didnt pick either, because:

site-specific - great idea, but with a lot of the borders closing or already closed, wont be exactly easy to do

More UEs - same as above, and then there will really only be 1-3 major companies people will buy from [as they are "more trusted''] and the smaller not-in-it-to-make-money-but-selling-frogs-because-they-have-offspring [yes that was a very long hyphinated sentence] will probably have to cull most of their offspring

Conservation - Great idea, but lets face it, most of the people who think it's a great idea, don't actually donate or contribute to it in anyway, thus making it a slow process...

Breeders Union - already happening...

Wild frog trips - see last paragraph/comment

book - same with what Mr.Fusion said, not too mention they would have to pay for it on top of that...

magazine - tons will read it/subscribe if it's free, but chances are they'll just read it for the sake of reading things...



IMO, fake rocks, or even kits that will end up looking like a natural habitat of said species, would be great


now, as for the wild frog trip thing... This I like, but not too take pics of wild frogs, but of where they are found, that way we can better re-create their natural habitat, and have references to help, not just people saying " leaf litter with few plants" or "bromeliads in trees"...


just my over-explained 2 cents...
 

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While I agree that the care sheets here could use some updating and additional species added, I disagree on a few points:

The care sheets are great, but lets face it, most new folks aren't going to read it
Exactly .... and most won't read it regardless of what form it is in.

and it's difficult for them to match a frog to the name.
Most of the care sheets have many photographs, some with great detail such as this one: http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/care-sheets/49265-ranitomeya-variabilis-intermediate.html

Saurian Enterprises has a really nice care sheet layout. A photograph as well as care information and region specifics
The same can be found on the care sheets here.

While the species profile sheets at Patricks site are nice, and I like the layout, there is no actual "husbandry" information in them.
 

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site-specific - great idea, but with a lot of the borders closing or already closed, wont be exactly easy to do
I disagree with a lot of this...what borders are closing??? Brazil is an open country if you breed to F3 and can get paperwork...just requires a lot of work. Panama has been threatening to close for years...Ill believe it when I see it. Columbia, from what I hear, is opening soon!!

More UEs - same as above, and then there will really only be 1-3 major companies people will buy from [as they are "more trusted''] and the smaller not-in-it-to-make-money-but-selling-frogs-because-they-have-offspring [yes that was a very long hyphinated sentence] will probably have to cull most of their offspring
same reason as above...not talking about more in Peru.

Conservation - Great idea, but lets face it, most of the people who think it's a great idea, don't actually donate or contribute to it in anyway, thus making it a slow process...
Wow, way off on here...if you depend on a hobby yes...Look at Amazon Watch though...times like this companies love conservation groups as they can donate money and get tax write offs in return, huge help in these days.


Breeders Union - already happening...
Still a little confused on this so no comment for now

book - same with what Mr.Fusion said, not too mention they would have to pay for it on top of that...

magazine - tons will read it/subscribe if it's free, but chances are they'll just read it for the sake of reading things...
Books are a great help to this hobby...worth every cent, for example- The lotters book. As far as newsletters and magazine look how many people pay for the bri bri/ dutch one.

Not trying to cause an argument, just pointing out some things you may have not thought of/ know.
 

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New ideas are in the works Donn, Should make for a great comeback on reading up on all reletive info on amphibians. care sheets, direct husbandry info as weill as natural habitat info and pics to match. All coordinated into a mapping system that shows the frogs natural ranges.

Michael
 
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I disagree with a lot of this...what borders are closing??? Brazil is an open country if you breed to F3 and can get paperwork...just requires a lot of work. Panama has been threatening to close for years...Ill believe it when I see it. Columbia, from what I hear, is opening soon!!

to my understanding Columbia was debating about opening, but decided against it [maybe they changed their minds]


same reason as above...not talking about more in Peru.



Wow, way off on here...if you depend on a hobby yes...Look at Amazon Watch though...times like this companies love conservation groups as they can donate money and get tax write offs in return, huge help in these days.


yes, but compared to how many are actually here, and know about it...not many people do...




Books are a great help to this hobby...worth every cent, for example- The lotters book. As far as newsletters and magazine look how many people pay for the bri bri/ dutch one.


again, compared to the number of people who know about it... and while it may not seem like it, many froggers are actually against spending tons of money on the hobby [hence putting any money made from the frogs back into their hobby, not using theirs...]

Not trying to cause an argument, just pointing out some things you may have not thought of/ know.

Same :D
answers in red, again, this is based on what I personally have seen and experienced...not everyone's view
 

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I'd like to see Understory Enterprises, or a similar company, doing responsible work in Colombia with several Oophaga and Ranitomeya species.

It would also be nice to have more Atelopus species better represented in the hobby.
 

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Other - Less elitism. Some of the longer tenured hobbyists on here are purely comical in their sometimes brash sometimes off handed comments and tunnel vision views. And as for the breeders union...what a joke!
 

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While I agree that the care sheets here could use some updating and additional species added, I disagree on a few points:



Exactly .... and most won't read it regardless of what form it is in.



Most of the care sheets have many photographs, some with great detail such as this one: http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/care-sheets/49265-ranitomeya-variabilis-intermediate.html



The same can be found on the care sheets here.

While the species profile sheets at Patricks site are nice, and I like the layout, there is no actual "husbandry" information in them.
I didn't mean to knock the care sheets we have here. Those are great! And certainly some of the other examples I gave could use more information. I think what I was really trying to get at is that instead of hopping around the internet to find morph specific info, it would be great to have something much more comprehensive all in one place. Not necessarily here on the forum due to format limitations, but perhaps on a single web page. As it stands right now I don't believe there is a single comprehensive source.
 

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I voted for:
A US dart frog hobby newsletter/ magazine and
A revised/ more in depth dart frog book

Basically more sources of information for the starting frogger like me.

I hear the Lotters book is great, but the pice tag isn't very accessible. Most other books are really too brief and incomplete. It would be nice to see a middle ground.

In the same note, other than scouring the internet, coming across information can be really hard. I think a US hobby magazine would be a really great/accessible way to get information.

Also, I agree with others that the site's care sheets need to be updated:
http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/feedback-questions/71109-care-sheets-forum-needs-updating.html
 

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I wanna see people taking a bit more time preparing a viv before they buy frogs. I often see starters quickly preparing a viv I think is not suitable for keeping dartfrogs. I think it's getting better but a viv needs time to be a good environment for dartfrogs. You can't prepare a viv in one day and think it's good enough after just one day of testing.
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More awareness of the morphs that are less prevalent in the hobby, especially those that were once hot items and have fallen to the wayside. That kind of thing doesn't bode well for the long term survival of those species/morphs.

This particularly applies to many of the- Ameerega, Epipedobates, Allobates, D. auratus, and some toads.... especially the easier breeders with high numbers of offspring. Galacts, vittatus, and aurotaenia could probably go in this category too.
 

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MY THOUGHTS ON THIS POLL.. (Nice Poll by the way)..

Site specific frogs w/ paperwork? ALWAYS WELCOME, BUT EXPORTERS LIKE TO KEEP SECRETS..

More companies like Understory Enterprise? MY VOTE

More conservation efforts? AGAIN, ALWAYS WELCOME

A breeders Union for hobbiest? ISN'T THIS ALREADY OUT THERE?

More trips to see the frogs in the wild? HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

A revised/ more in depth dart frog book? THE MOST UP TO DATE AND BEST INFO IS OFFERED BY FROGGERS HERE!.. I'VE READ MOST BOOKS AND FIND IT IS JUST REAFFIRMING WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. IF YOU GET THE BASICS OF A PARTICULAR SPECIE, EXPERIENCE, TRIAL AND ERROR ARE HERE ON THIS BOARD!..

More hobby related companies NEVER ENOUGH OF THESE, BUT IF IN IT FOR THE MONEY - GOODBYE!..

A US dart frog hobby newsletter/magazine? SEVERAL HAVE DONE THIS; ISSD, ADG, TO MORE CURRENT ALTHOUGH LESS AND LESS TWI. THESE PROJECTS ALWAYS START OUT WITH A BANG AND A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, BUT WANES QUICKLY AS PEOPLE WANT TO READ THEIR NEXT ISSUE RATHER THAN BEING IN THE NEXT ISSUE. THE LONG-TERM SUCCESSES OF THIS PROJECT IS CONTINGENT UPON GETTING ARTICLES. I BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE MORE FROGGERS IN THE HOBBY THAN ANY OTHER NATION. FOR THEM TO PUT OUT A BEAUTIFUL MAGAZINE PUTS US TO SHAME!.. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US PUT OUT A MAGAZINE THAT RIVALS DENDROBATIDAE NEDERLAND (DON'T WORRY DN, AS LONG AS YOU PUT OUT A MAGAZINE, I WILL STILL BE A BUYER)..

Peter Keane
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