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Carnivorous plants eating PAF's

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Are there any CP's that target PAF's?
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Do the PAF's know which plants are carnivorous, and thus avoid them?
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Search this one, several posts. I have seen people with the gourd plants that their frogs actually like to crawl in to get the fruit flies that stay in the bottom. So no, they will not avoid them, if not be drawn to them.
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Okapi
Old world pitcher plants and new world frogs?
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JoshH
Not sure, but the genus Heliamphora could possibly be found with a few darts or dart relatives. They grow in the /Venezuela/Guiana Shield region mostly in tepuis but some grow in the surrounding marshs and wet savannahs.
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Okapi.. I just remember a similar post where someone chimed in and posted a pic of his leucs i believe in a pitcher plant. Except it knew how to get in and out.
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chuckpowell
There are no carnivorous plants native to the range of any Dendrobatid, so no. Most of the cp people use in their tanks aren't even native to the same continent. A few of the larger form could if there we're in the same terrarium, but overall its unlikely. Still why take the chance.

Best,

Chuck
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Bokfan1
Black Jungle has reported D. auratus laying eggs in Nepenthes pitchers year after year with no problem....depends on the species of Nepenthes I guess. Peter D'Amato also has reports of tree frogs sitting at the bottom of Heliamphora pitchers stealing insects from the plants. Its just a risk u have to decide if u want to take...

bladderworts and tropical Pinguicula would be fine...Dont put flytraps or Sarracenia in a viv they are temperate plants and need a dormancy.


Hope this helps!

Dustin
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Okapi
deboardfam said:
Okapi.. I just remember a similar post where someone chimed in and posted a pic of his leucs i believe in a pitcher plant. Except it knew how to get in and out.
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I was assuming that you were referring to asian pitcher plants targeting Dart frogs in the wild, which would never occur.
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skylsdale
Had to get halfway through the thread before I figured out what a PAF was...
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skylsdale said:
Had to get halfway through the thread before I figured out what a PAF was...
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I still didn't find out... ^^'

F.Y.I. english is not my N.L., I.E. I have smtimes hard time undstding all those acronyms and abreviations. reading F.L. can be hard enought without having to decipher IMHO.


BTW I don't think there's a problem with tropical pitcher plants, but most of Heliamphora sp. and Nepenthes sp. requires a good temperature difference beetween day and night. Wich I don't think suits well all of the frogs ?
Sarracenia sp. and Darlingtonia californica wants you to put them outside !

NB : Carnivorous Plant I guess.
P ?? A ?? Frog ? Q.E.D.
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frogparty
PAF= poison arrow frog
I think Heliamphora MIGHT grow in a few locations where D. leucomelas exists, but I think in general they occupy Tepuis, and only rarely lowland habitats, but I think they are easy enough to escape from that the risk of a frog being eaten is slim to none
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frogparty
And yes, Sarracenia and Darlingtonia really need to be outdoors to thrive
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SA_Ka_20
Thanks, should have guessed about the 'arrow'... did archery for 10 years.. I feel... dumb ! XD
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chuckpowell said:
There are no carnivorous plants native to the range of any Dendrobatid, so no. Most of the cp people use in their tanks aren't even native to the same continent. A few of the larger form could if there we're in the same terrarium, but overall its unlikely. Still why take the chance.
What about Epiphytic Bladderworts? I surprised no one mention it.:D
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frogparty
I did mention them in the OTHER post the OP posted thats exactly like this one.
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Dionaea (VFT) will need a dormancy, but it will not digest frogs the size of its traps or bigger, they will be able to escape it. To be safe you should use it with frogs at least 1.5" long. The flytrap goes through two trap phases. Trapping and Sealing. Wiehn the tigger hairs, also called trichomes, are triggered, the trap closes. If there is no movement the trap wil open in a few hours to a day. If something in the trap is still moving the strap will close more and more, literally makes a EXTREEMELY tight seal on whatever is in the trap. You could use utiricularia, which will never be big enough to catch a frog. Small Drosera will work and all tropical Pinguicula will. Both Drosera and pinguicula are easy to be produced by leaf cuttings/pullings so from one you could make many. Heliamphora are quote expensive, and require slightly more colplex care that your average Carnivorous plant. The venus flytrap has been recorded to make 2" traps at the largest and usually about 1.25-1.5" long depending on the cultivar. I have written a care sheet on them that reveals the myths on them. I fond that flytraps can do better in highter humidity if you adjust them to it. But you'd need to supply a dormant period consiting of less light and temeratures ranging from 30F-55F from Late Dec. to Late Mar.

If you'd like a CP that will thrive as long as you care for your frogs, then tropical Pinguicula and Drosera are the ones to pick. (the drosera can capture small froglets and might kill them)

So Pinguicula is the best choice.
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