[Cordon]

Hey guys

I posted a week or so ago mentioning that I'm looking to get a group of terribilis, probably the orange black foot phenotype. I bought a 36x18x36 exo terra to house them in and was planning to go with a group of 5. I was wondering if there is an ideal terribilis group size to facilitate good health and breeding behavior? Is 5 a good number or should I go with less? Along with that, is there an ideal sex ratio to keep them in? Right now I am just planning on buying 5 froglets and hoping I get a pair or two, but if I end up with 4 males and 1 female (or some other skewed ratio) should I worry about it?

Sorry for the smattering of questions, but if anyone with experience could lend some advice it would be much appreciated!

 

[fishingguy12345]

I keep 5 Phyllobates terribilis orange blackfoot in my 36x18x36" tank and think it's probably the right number for a tank that size.

 

[Fahad]

I've had breeding success with the following ratios:

3.1
1.4
1.3
2.3
2.2.2 (younger group hence some unknowns)

... and know of some people who breed successfully with just a pair.

For Blackfoot Orange, up to 5 in a tank that size if the interior has plenty of places to hide, climb etc.. I wouldn't do more than that. I would advise monitoring and replacing leaf litter if it (a) gets visibly soiled or (b) becomes saturated so that it doesn't dry out in between misting events -- this will happen as it ages.

You don't have to swap it all out, just incrementally over time.

 

[JasonE]

For Blackfoot Orange, up to 5 in a tank that size if the interior has plenty of places to hide, climb etc.. I wouldn't do more than that. I would advise monitoring and replacing leaf litter if it (a) gets visibly soiled or (b) becomes saturated so that it doesn't dry out in between misting events -- this will happen as it ages.

You don't have to swap it all out, just incrementally over time.

I always used seagrape leaves for my terribilis. They're flatter so you don't get pools of water. And they decompose quickly so you can just put new on top without having to do leaf changes.

I kept my terriblis in 2.2 groups and always got good production. Once they figured everything out that is. It took like 30 boths before my groups produced viable eggs and tadpoles.

 

[Cordon]

Thanks for all the advice. I think I’ll go ahead with 5 then.

I've had breeding success with the following ratios:

3.1
1.4
1.3
2.3
2.2.2 (younger group hence some unknowns)

... and know of some people who breed successfully with just a pair.

For Blackfoot Orange, up to 5 in a tank that size if the interior has plenty of places to hide, climb etc.. I wouldn't do more than that. I would advise monitoring and replacing leaf litter if it (a) gets visibly soiled or (b) becomes saturated so that it doesn't dry out in between misting events -- this will happen as it ages.

You don't have to swap it all out, just incrementally over time.

So it sounds like sex ratio doesn’t matter a whole lot. Hopefully I get a good mix of males and females when I buy the 5 froglets, though.

 

[Fahad]

Thanks for all the advice. I think I’ll go ahead with 5 then.
So it sounds like sex ratio doesn’t matter a whole lot. Hopefully I get a good mix of males and females when I buy the 5 froglets, though.

The math favours a good chance of a pair with 5 frogs, but of course it's still random. First five I ever got turned out to be 1.4; I recently sold three young adult females to a guy who had all males in his group from a couple of years ago. But chances are it'll work out!