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Hi,

This is my vivarium with 6 auratus blue:
4 with 13 months
1 with 9 months
1 with 15 months



It has less vegetation because i cutted some plants last week, should the auratus start calling soon ? Till now no calls, they are really shy always hiding behind stuff, only on the mourning when i am not close to the terrarium they came to explore the plants and stuff otherwise they just hide between the plants.

Temperatures: 20-22ºC
Humidity: 86-96%

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How big is that tank? It looks super small to me, but that's just me. Going by the rule of thumb, it should be at least a 30 or 40 gallon.
 

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Your background looks dry? And I personally add leaf litter. Maybe some flimcans or different hiding spots.
The background is in glue cement with colour thats why it looks dry, yes i must provide some filmcans, just trying to get them, they have one cocohut and a half coconut shell that they hide behind it.

The leaf litter here we only have oak leafs, i personally dont like them very much, trying to get some magnolia leaves
 

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How big is that tank? It looks super small to me, but that's just me. Going by the rule of thumb, it should be at least a 30 or 40 gallon.
I am not certain, i will confirm tomorrow but i guess it is 50cmx40cmx40cm, they pass almost all the time hiding everywhere i dont see the point of a bigger vivarium.
This is a provisory vivarium, i am trying to sex the auratus to get a trio.
 

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I don't know about anyone else, but I calculated that to 21 or 22 gallons. That is way too small. You should consider moving these frogs to a bigger vivarium, or making your new column for them.
 

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I don't know about anyone else, but I calculated that to 21 or 22 gallons. That is way too small. You should consider moving these frogs to a bigger vivarium, or making your new column for them.
Don't worry your tank is fine. This is just dogma! They are fine especially if they are hiding all the time. I breed pairs, trios and quads in ten gallon tanks just fine. It's all how you set the tank up. Do you have a water feature? I have found most darts need at least a water dish to meet their needs for water. Maybe more crawling plants like ficus or something would be good also to add.

You are not located in the US? Any place that develops flim you should be able to get film cans from.

Feel free to pm me I have successfully bred over 65 different types of dart frogs in the last eight years.
 

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How big is that tank? It looks super small to me, but that's just me. Going by the rule of thumb, it should be at least a 30 or 40 gallon.
70 liters is 18.5 gallons. General rule is if they breed that's good. Try to provide the most space is good. Listen to your frogs, watching them and meet their needs. If there is no aggression or starving frogs. Should be good. Every case is different. I made so many mistakes when I was new in the hobby. Most of them were the general rules at that time. Listening to people that never even had the frogs I did was a big one too. It's nice to provide help but make sure it's valid. Reading something somewhere doesn't make you an expert. And by no means am I saying I am. I am just saying I have bred 8 - 9 types of auratus in 10 gallon tanks. There are tons of people that have never bred any pair of frogs in huge tanks.

It is what it is people will do whatever they want.

Sorry for my rant just trying to stick up for the guy. And save him trouble.

There is lots of good advice on here.

Good luck. Are you from a Spanish / portuguese speaking country?
 

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Don't worry your tank is fine. This is just dogma! They are fine especially if they are hiding all the time. I breed pairs, trios and quads in ten gallon tanks just fine. It's all how you set the tank up. Do you have a water feature? I have found most darts need at least a water dish to meet their needs for water. Maybe more crawling plants like ficus or something would be good also to add.

You are not located in the US? Any place that develops flim you should be able to get film cans from.

Feel free to pm me I have successfully bred over 65 different types of dart frogs in the last eight years.
I confirmed today the size of the tank and its 50cmx30cm and 40cm tall, 60 liters.

Right now i am not providing a water feature, trying to think about something to putt there with water.

About crawling plants i have two ficus pumila on the left corner of the tank, they are growing since they are still new to the tank, i added some pothos too but they are still adapting and didnt grow till now.

Thanks for help =)
 

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70 liters is 18.5 gallons. General rule is if they breed that's good. Try to provide the most space is good. Listen to your frogs, watching them and meet their needs. If there is no aggression or starving frogs. Should be good. Every case is different. I made so many mistakes when I was new in the hobby. Most of them were the general rules at that time. Listening to people that never even had the frogs I did was a big one too. It's nice to provide help but make sure it's valid. Reading something somewhere doesn't make you an expert. And by no means am I saying I am. I am just saying I have bred 8 - 9 types of auratus in 10 gallon tanks. There are tons of people that have never bred any pair of frogs in huge tanks.

It is what it is people will do whatever they want.

Sorry for my rant just trying to stick up for the guy. And save him trouble.

There is lots of good advice on here.

Good luck. Are you from a Spanish / portuguese speaking country?
I agree with you, i had these auratus on a 250 liters tank (66 gallons) and i almost lost them since they hide almost all the time and some didnt eat well. They hided in a hole i never noticed when builded the vivarium, so i opted to move them to a small vivarium and now they are really good, they hide but i can check on them and they are fat enought.

Yes i am from portugal, here we dont have many stuff for dendrobatids and i really want to develop stuff here, i am starting things here since i have a breeding pair of E.Anthonyi Santa isabel and started to sell new frogs this year, but we dont have many stuff you have there and we have to import almost everything and thats expensive so it has to be slower to upgrade stuff here. We dont have breeders here so its really difficult to get good frogs unless we import them or get them from spain. So have that in mind =)
 

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Here are photos from the frogs, if anyone could help me trying to sex them that would be great xD

I think this one is an obviously female:



This one i might say it is a male but its is the biggest one :S



The rest seems females but some i am a bit confused what sex they are :S







 

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The sizes you are describing in my experiencie are quite small, the smallest adult blue auratus I had was a bit more than three cm, a male, but normally not less than 35-38, adult females more than 40 mm. For example, all my offspring from last season that is now around 6-7 months, they're all around or easilly more than 35 mm. Are you sure about their age?

I personally think that sexing them, even if they are adult frogs, it's quite hard, sometimes not, but I think it's something really hard to assure.

In my experiencie, I don't know about other ones!

I personally think, talking about my experience with this frogs, that this viv is too small for such a large group, I kept for more than three years a breeding group in a tank a bit bigger than yours, with a lot more usefull surface and hiding spots, and big fights where in there (originall a 2.4 group), it became much better when they became 2.2.

But as they told you, you have to take an eye on them, if nothing happens, no problem, this was just my experience with this breeding group.

I also find that the keeping temperatures are a bit low, with this values, my frogs would be much more letargic. I always kept them around 24-25 degrees during the day time, same with offspring, and even if they were a bit shy, specially at the beggining, they where really active frogs.

I think as well that some leaf litter would do really fine in there.

Just my thoughts:)

greetings!
 

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The sizes you are describing in my experiencie are quite small, the smallest adult blue auratus I had was a bit more than three cm, a male, but normally not less than 35-38, adult females more than 40 mm. For example, all my offspring from last season that is now around 6-7 months, they're all around or easilly more than 35 mm. Are you sure about their age?

I personally think that sexing them, even if they are adult frogs, it's quite hard, sometimes not, but I think it's something really hard to assure.

In my experiencie, I don't know about other ones!

I personally think, talking about my experience with this frogs, that this viv is too small for such a large group, I kept for more than three years a breeding group in a tank a bit bigger than yours, with a lot more usefull surface and hiding spots, and big fights where in there (originall a 2.4 group), it became much better when they became 2.2.

But as they told you, you have to take an eye on them, if nothing happens, no problem, this was just my experience with this breeding group.

I also find that the keeping temperatures are a bit low, with this values, my frogs would be much more letargic. I always kept them around 24-25 degrees during the day time, same with offspring, and even if they were a bit shy, specially at the beggining, they where really active frogs.

I think as well that some leaf litter would do really fine in there.

Just my thoughts:)

greetings!
Hi,

Yes i am sure about their age, maybe i didnt measure them well.

About temperature, maybe its a bit low but here its really difficult to get good temperatures in winter, i am heating the room where i have the frogs at 20ºC. I have tryied to heat each terrarium individually but then i lose humidity. :S

They arent agressive with each other because they were introduced with some months in the terrarium at same time, i think its because of that.
 

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Update now with photos of clutches from my auratus blue and tadpoles, last picture is a small auratus with 2 weeks.

Thanks,
 
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