[Jduane]

Hi, i've been seeing people argue over wether or not frogs appreciate water features, and most people say it is a waste of in-tank space, i personally do not agree, in the wild, rainfall can create a ''drip wall'' that comes down and forms a pool, that frogs in turn use, many hobbyists (un)knowingly create this, in a ten gallon tank, a waterfall can take up as much as a quarter of the tanks space,when established as a mound, or ''tree'' even, but if you do it right, a water feature can take up almost NO space in the tank, a false bottom filled with water, and a pump in the back of it behind the background can make access to the pump and visibility two great combinations, whereas in a ''mound'' people say that kind of project should be not used at all, or saved for a different tank, people say that the frogs don't ''care'' or that they're "just as fine/better off without it" i do not believe this to be true, do you honestly think this is not created naturally in the wild? why shouldn't this also appear in our tanks, im sorry if you feel as if im ranting, but i am honestly tired of people posting construction journals, and you @$$holes posting blatantly "lose the water feature, ETC". if you don't agree, don't put them in your tanks, it is a simple remedy, instead of acting like teenagers, one of which i happen to be.
I hope this arises some thought into your minds, thanks, Jasper.

p.s ( im talking about large tanks)

 

[Jduane]

LOL this is going to be a fun thread..

This is very vague.. as in this isnt specific to any type of frog.
From my understanding a lot of the frogs we keep in the hobby arent found near water. They lay in broms etc. That tends to come up in the "#23Hole" comments that are given out to these newbs. Do you ever notice that EVERY newb, and I mean EVERY newb wants to come on here and immediately add a water feature. Its like the first thing they think about, the actual frogs as a second thought. I will admit I was the same way. My venture into this hobby started as a paludarium. Unlike many other newbs, I researched what I could put in with such a water based tank. Realized there wasnt much. Ventured toward darts. Researched more, then dropped the whole water idea.

Not that I am for or against water features. Nor know that much about the hobby as well. I am just observant of what others put.I would totally put one in a large tank, but it isnt for a 10vert or anything smaller than a 18" thick tank in my opinion. I think it is more of the focus as the issue. Anyway..

/rant

Will wait for someone with more knowledge of specific species to chime in.

Mate, im not being specific to any kind of frog, and i don't consider five years to be a ''newb'', alright? no, the frogs the majority of us keep are not ''pond'' frogs, and yes, i do agree that the thing that most mesmerizes people IS water features, but im just saying they aren't bad, the only thing i continually see is people having TOO MUCH of a water feature, the thing im saying is, water features are like junk food, they're nice to have, but in moderation.

Please Read Over This Thread before you make another comment like this, you're entirely right, but that isn't what im saying here... of course a large water feature would be bad in a 10vert. but if it ran up the back under a false bottom, that wouldn't be bad at all, if there is only about a one inch water area, you can still have a water feature, you just make only that part useable.
I hope you understand what im saying and this doesn't become a thread where it gets out of hand.

 

[Jduane]

Just because a frog uses it doesn't really justify including it in your tank. It's mainly not recommended because well-designed water features are hard to execute and provide many elements that can become problems later on (particularly if you are new and, along with trying to master the basics, have to deal with a water feature too)...

If you're new to the hobby there are a lot of things you shouldn't do...... im not talking about doing it for your first build, im talking about an established tank.

 

[Jduane]

Speaking of tone, grimm, im talking about the way they say it, people are of course open to express there opinions, but have you seen the way some people do it? im just trying to get my point across, if i seemed at all angry, i apologize.
I appreciate Your willingness to participate in a "rough" discussion.

 

[Jduane]

I agree with both points. Trying to add a big pond is silly but if you check out my build it has a small water feature going through a canister to filter and the space is 100% usable. Done right its fine I think as long as it is accessable for repair or it may just dry up.

I think Jduane is calling out all the people who immediately post "loose your water feature" like they are some form of elite. It is pretentious attempt to display some form of superiority over the new builder. Instead if just making that statement these people should take the time to explain why or maybe figure out if they are dealing with someone capable of making the feature work instead of shooting down their ideas immediately.

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Right, Thank you for being constructive with your words and not misinterpreting it.

 

[Jduane]

I must say, my very first tank had a water feature that convered half the tank. I ripped that apart. My current tank has nothing like it, but I must say a large water feature is a waste but if you have suppose a drip wall and 1/2 in of gravel hidden it's not taking up any space, but it's still a water feature. I'm not to crazy about your tone, please think about what you're going to say and think about it BEFORE posting, alright? Starting a post and calling people assholes when you probably don't know that much about the hobby as them. What you've done is you're trying to just get people to get upset, while you think you're proving a point. Shame on you.

Alright, what's wrong with you? first you tell me to ''watch my tone'' then you say the majority of people im calling out know more about the hobby than me?
is it because i just joined the board? stop discriminating based on my forum time if that's what you're doing. i have plenty of experience with reptiles/amphibians.

hopefully all of you will calm down on the tone thing, i just become tired of people blatantly saying ''get rid of the drip wall/etc." if it looks good and doesn't take up too much room, i honestly don't care if the frogs use it or not, as long as they have ample space it's not a problem, it adds to the tank, don't you like creating beautiful things? if you think a water feature is pointless, maybe you should keep your frogs in a shoebox with some sphagnum moss, im not trying to be harsh, but really, practice what you preach before you go on ranting about someone else's tone, i hope you get whatever problem you have with me calling people who do this sort of thing assholes, but honestly you're being one.



-Jasper.

 

[Jduane]

Alright, what i mean in this thread is this.

-water features are okay. Just Give The frogs ample space, they also don't want to be drowned in water, but even in a 10 gallon, a drip wall going down the back can do no harm if done right.


- Please Stop commenting on threads blatantly saying ''get rid of the drip wall''
, please give reason so that they can know why you think they should do it, and if they don't BACK OFF.

-this thread was not meant to be harsh in any way, i was just angry at the massive amounts of people saying this, and i get stressed out easily, i apologize to anyone i offended.

If somebody makes a mistake and doesn't listen to you, please just let them mess up, they should realize there mistake soon enough.

Please don't let this turn into a hate thread, the majority of you are adults, Handle yourselves Like one.

-jasper

 

[Jduane]

Heehee, I like you Jasper

Thank You, i know there are some ''teenagers'' on this forum, myself included, but some people are really raging

Hopefully everyone resolves there conflict.

 

[Jduane]

So you have experience with reptiles and amphibians. Before I even knew what a dart frog was I had 6 years of keeping 3 kinds of geckos, reed frogs, pacman frogs, whites, red eyes, etc. but I knew nothing about darts, which is ENTIRELY different than any other branch of herp keeping.

it is not entirely different at all, they are just entirely different animals, i honestly think we should stop ranting about this thread, if you have something to add, reply, if not. don't.


Please Do Not Continue this conflict.

 

[Jduane]

of course the frogs won't use a waterfall or a drip wall, it just looks nice, and if it looks nice and it doesn't take up much space, there isn't really much of a problem, thank you for your constructive post, can't say the same for everyone.