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I have a trio of tincs, I really think that they are 3 males. but I've witnessed this on occaision:



The one on the right is a little bigger (has more spots on its side), and its front toe pads seem a little smaller than the others(still much larger than the back pads though). However I have witnessed that one calling (didn't hear anything but saw the throat puff up a bit). I haven't witnessed any "active fighting" but I've seen them sit that way fairly often. One will be alone, two together (don't think its always the same two), with one having its hand on the others back.

So does one look like a female? or are they um experimenting ;)

-tad
 

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The one with the spots on the side and the smaller toe pads is a female. The others male. Judging from the pictures you might be in for some eggs in the near future. Good job.

Best,

Chuck
 

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chuckpowell said:
The one with the spots on the side and the smaller toe pads is a female. The others male. Judging from the pictures you might be in for some eggs in the near future. Good job.

Best,

Chuck
I second Chucks observation. I have never had same sex individuals exhibit stroking behavior. One usually calls and then they rumble.

Justin
 
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if they are males it still would be natural
in one article of reptiles magazine, one guy noticed same thing and they answered that all male frogs will do amplexus with everything that even resembles female includin inanimate objects
 

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lawngnome said:
if they are males it still would be natural
in one article of reptiles magazine, one guy noticed same thing and they answered that all male frogs will do amplexus with everything that even resembles female includin inanimate objects
Darts do not perform "amplexus", but I see your point.
 

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Chuck,

If you reread his original post, you will notice the one on the right is the one calling.

If you take a closer look at the toepads, you can see some differences in the toe pad next to the head.

Tad - Judging from the picture, it looks like you might have offspring soon.

Melis

chuckpowell said:
The one with the spots on the side and the smaller toe pads is a female. The others male. Judging from the pictures you might be in for some eggs in the near future. Good job.

Best,

Chuck
 
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I've seen some strange behavior... often two frogs are as far from another frog as possible (catta-corner). The spotty one is normally part of the pair, the other two change. Just that when its the large "spotty" one and the one *not* in the above photos, they seem wedged in the corner behind a small planter. I don't witness any stroking, nor any overt aggression. The other one in the picture above I've seen hanging around the coco-hut (inside it or ontop of it) when its alone.

-tad
 
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Ok.... its almost like a soap opera. I'm starting to think what I originally thought to be 3.0 might actually be 1.2. I have 1 tinc with multiple spots, 1 tinc with one big round spot, and 1 tinc that has a clean look.

Well, "spot" is seen above with the dots(er the spotty one). Lately I've seen "mr/s clean" sitting wedged in the corner or alternatively "dots" whichever one isnt in the corner the other one is an inche away wedged in there too (almost as if they jockeying for position, and then blocking the winner in... maybe I'm reading too much into this). Well I cleaned out the tank some today and it scared them both out. Shortly after dots claimed the corner, when "mr/s clean" came back across the top of the planter s/he jumped squarley ontop of "dots" it almost looked like a body slam shortly after they resumed their normal positioning. Poor spot can always be seen clear across the tank sitting right in front of the door to the love shack seemingly waiting.

ok scratch that, it is a freaking soap opera.

*sigh* I think I'm going to try to setup an xtra 10-gallon, for "mr/s clean" and see what happens. Just I happen to have a half completed 15 high, a half completed 20 long, and a 65 gallon waiting to be started on.

I guess I should start working =P

-tad
 
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Ha, you're going through the exact same thing I went through a couple months ago :lol: . Had a trio couldn't tell if it was two males and a female or two females and a male because one was really confusing me. He turned out to be a large she and after removing the wrong frog and then reintroducing her a month and a half later I had eggs the next day. And one very jelous female that didn't want to share her new mate with the female already in there (they were tincs) so then she had to go to another viv and the new pair is laying good eggs every 5-6 days. I watched the whole soap opera too of these guys and my family thinks I'm nuts :roll: .

But I agree. The spotted one is a female (looks like one got from Patrick, beautiful belly spots :D ), the one on the left in the 1st picture is the male. Good looking frogs.
 
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Just an update if anyone cares....
I pulled out one of the females (the one w/o spots), set her up in her own 10 gallon. She doesn't seem very happy, I haven't seen her eat since the move(which is *wierd* for any of my tincs).

The other two haven't seemed to show much of any interest in eachother =/

If I don't witness the lone femal eating when I get back from my trip to NY this weekend I think I'll put her back in with the others.... Maybe I'll switch the "females" or just separate the male for a week or two. As I guess in all honesty I'm still just speculating about the sexes.

-Tad.
 
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Ok, I actually put the lone frog back in with the other two before I left. And lo and behold, it started eating and all the frogs started interacting again. I saw "spot" stroking "dotty", when after separating the females he seemed to show no interest. I even heard one call for the first time (seen one call before but never *heard* it). The two suspected females seemed to get a little aggressive (the clean one jumped on top of "dotty"). Then I saw "spot" stroking the other frog. All three hung out around the coco-hut for awhile, now it seems for the most part they are back to their old ways: two females sitting in the corner eyeing eachother contentiously and the male sitting about 4-5 inches away looking lonely.

*sigh*

-Tad
 

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tad604 said:
I saw "spot" stroking "dotty", when after separating the females he seemed to show no interest.

Then I saw "spot" stroking the other frog.
If "spot" is doing the stroking then "spot" is your female.
 
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I dont know, spot's the smallest of the bunch, and has the bigest front toe pads, the other two seem to be aggressive towards eachother. Though the one with lots dots, is the largest and the only one I've seen actually calling.

*shrug*
 
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Your frogs are having an identity crisis!!!! :shock:

I still go with what I said originally with the pictures. The first picture the one on the right with the spots (spotty?) is the female the one on the left is the male.

I've seen my male stroke my female the female being chased by the male all sorts of weird behavior. In my opinion they are young and they are working it out and trying to get it straight. I think you should leave all three in there and monitor them and as long as the two you suspect are females (and I suspect you are correct) are not losing weight or showing other signs of stress, they will work themselves out and eventually you will see a "pair" form. Just beware of deep water when you have two females that could potentially wrestle in it and pin one down in the water and drown. That would be my biggest heartbreak. :cry:

This is the same thing that happened to me and so far my cobalts have to date produced 34 eggs to date in 5 layings 5-9 days apart and only 6 of the first 8 clutch of eggs went bad and didn't hatch, the rest have been perfect and growing like weeds!!! :D :D :D And I'm running out of baby jars and Aquariums

GOOD LUCK!!
 
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Nice, I'm hoping that I can get some offspring, I really would like to put a group of about 6-8 or so in my new 65 gallon aquarium (not to mention have a few to trade).

What size of vivarium do you have yours in? I was told I wouldn't have much luck trying to breed them in a 29 (I'll probably move the three to the 65 gallon when I'm done with it). I also recently read somewhere on here about trouble breeding captive bred frogs of more than F1. Any idea if thats a valid concern?


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Tad,

My cobalts are F3 and obviously breed just fine :D . I keep them in a 20 gallon long heavily planted with 2 laying sites (half coco huts over margarine tub lids. It was one of my first attempts at a terrarium with a false bottom with no working water feature but it's functional and they seem to really like it. They sleep in a hollow cork roll that's half buried. What I have done is supplement them every day with Rep-Cal and with Herpvite twice a week since they were 2 months old (I do this with all my frogs) and they've only been fed really on fruit flies b/c the breeder told me never to feed them crickets (I never knew any better till recently). So only this summer have I tried to offer pinheads which they won't touch and small ants which they pick at but they still devour Hydei like it's prime rib 8). I ended up with a large female that's about 2-1/4-2-1/2" (she won't sit still) and a her mate a related male who's smaller but they both retained a high amount of yellow. Needless to say I'm extreamly pleased with them both and can't wait to see how their offspring turn out.

I guess what I'm getting at is I don't think it has anything to do with wc vs. cb and f1-f14. In my opinion (and it is just that, my opinion) it's how you raise, care for, feed and treat the animals. Give them everything you can, food, supplements (and lots of calicium), and a good enviroment, and cycle them so they can have a break, there should be no reason they can't breed for you. It too can also be the luck of the draw :?: . I'm sure not every wild animal is a breeding machine either...those ones just don't breed and die out without passing on their genes .
 
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