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Update from 150gal build journal:
The tank is planted and occupied. My husband was able to rig up a pvc pipe/computer fans to keep the air moving and the glass free of moisture. The breeze is so delicate that it barely moves a feather. He also placed another fan at the other end of the tank to pull the heat out. There is a small pond in the center plus a pond in the driftwood on the left. The entire system is very quiet, something I'm not accustomed to.

I ended up putting my 'wunzies' in this tank. For the folks who want to scream DON'T MIX, don't bother. Most of these frogs have lived in harmony for many years and I've been watching the newcomers closely. The frogs have plenty of room, lots of hides, and rarely crowd each other. I keep my breeders in separate tanks.

Now, for the pix and videos :

YouTube - ‪150 gallon poison dart frog vivarium‬‏

YouTube - ‪2nd video Poison dart frog display tank‬‏

YouTube - ‪3rd Poison Dart Frog Vivarium video‬‏
 

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omg!!! you have got in there 3 diferent species!!! this is not good! You must separate them imideatly!!!! Or else they will breed and you will have hybrids!!!!
 

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For the folks who want to scream DON'T MIX, don't bother. Most of these frogs have lived in harmony for many years and I've been watching the newcomers closely. The frogs have plenty of room, lots of hides, and rarely crowd each other. I keep my breeders in separate tanks.]
I doubt the space your frogs have is what people will take offence too. The size of your viv is irrelevant. Mixing morphs\species is not going to win you friends no matter how nice your setup, at least not on this foum. I like the setup, just not the variety of inhabitants.
 

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i like it! but what's the pop bottle doing in there?
Don't frogs drink water? Jest kidding... I culture my fruitflies in my waters bottles AFTER I finish with them. It's a lot easier than the culture cups most folks use.

that is everyone's dream:) tank that is so cool you must spent a fortune:)
Not quite a fortune, but close. Actually, it's a re-do of our first tank 8 yrs ago, but we've learned a lot since then. I appreciate your kind words.

I wish i could make something that awesome!!!.....but do to make lack of creativity....sigh
Hey, we're not that creative, either - but there's a whole lot folks on the board that are, so, there ya go -

omg!!! you have got in there 3 diferent species!!! this is not good! You must separate them imideatly!!!! Or else they will breed and you will have hybrids!!!!

Actually, there are 4 different species - green sips, Leucs, Powderblue, and Azureus. Alright, shugar - rather than refer you to reread the original post, let me explain something to you. First of all, unless my fat-ass tincs wanna lay their eggs on the leaves, there is no place for them to breed. Second - I don't pull eggs from this tank. And last, but not least, it's a BIG tank and the different species tend to hang together, which I found interesting. Except for Fred (Powderblue) and Bertha (Azureus), my original frogs - those two hang together. Don't worry, I keep my breeders in separate tanks. On the other hand, there are species that canNOT be kept together due to stress, combativeness, things like that. I have a couple of female Cobalts all alone in an 80g hex because they are quite large and very ready to have families. The girls are for sale, btw.

Thanks everyone - if y'all have any questions about the construction, please let me know.
 

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Actually, there are 4 different species - green sips, Leucs, Powderblue, and Azureus. Alright, shugar - rather than refer you to reread the original post, let me explain something to you. First of all, unless my fat-ass tincs wanna lay their eggs on the leaves, there is no place for them to breed. Second - I don't pull eggs from this tank. And last, but not least, it's a BIG tank and the different species tend to hang together, which I found interesting. Except for Fred (Powderblue) and Bertha (Azureus), my original frogs - those two hang together. Don't worry, I keep my breeders in separate tanks. On the other hand, there are species that canNOT be kept together due to stress, combativeness, things like that. I have a couple of female Cobalts all alone in an 80g hex because they are quite large and very ready to have families. The girls are for sale, btw.

Thanks everyone - if y'all have any questions about the construction, please let me know.
SHAME ON YOU ESPECIALY IF YOU CALLED YOURSELF A BREEDER!!!:mad:
 

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I doubt the space your frogs have is what people will take offence too. The size of your viv is irrelevant. Mixing morphs\species is not going to win you friends no matter how nice your setup, at least not on this foum. I like the setup, just not the variety of inhabitants.
Honey, I don't condone mixing, but the size of the tank DOES make a difference. These are frogs w/o mates and I'm kinda sentimental about them. Like I mentioned before, I own other species that I would never dream of making this tank their home. I have Cobalts (way too big and aggressive), auratus and imitators (stress out too easily).

Would you say the same thing if they were all males? Half of the mixing debate is hybridization and the other half is stress/aggression. Let's address hybridization - in this tank, there are no laying sites. Even if a tadpole was produced, it would starve to death. Why, you ask? It's because I DO NOT PULL EGGS and there is nothing for a tad to eat. In fact, I've never seen eggs in the tank. Now, about stress/aggression - apply a little common sense here and you'll figure it out.

This tank is not the norm. Hybridization comes about when a person intentionally pulls fertile eggs created by two different morphs and allows them to morph out.

I'm not trying to make friends. If you can get beyond the fact that there are different morphs in this tank, you might be able to see that the glass isn't foggy, the plants are flourishing and the inhabitants are co-existing happily. My oldest frogs are 8yo; the youngest are almost 1yo. I love looking at this tank and I watch my frogs' interaction with great amusement. They're too preoccupied with hunting or soaking in the ponds to worry about anything else.

Yep - my pride n joy.....
 

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Just something that struck me as odd, but if you're not here to make friends, then why bother? Seems to me, then, that it's just an opportunity to get people riled up intentionally. You seem to use phrases, and then don't follow through, which I feel leads to a lot of questioning on the part of everyone else as well. When you say things like "Now, about stress/aggression - apply a little common sense here and you'll figure it out" and "This tank is not the norm" and leave it hanging like that...well, honestly, I don't see anything behind either of these statements. I'd love to hear more on the stress/aggression, as well as how this tank is not the norm.

Also two notes on behavior that I've pulled from not only dart frogs, but the many, many species of fish and other reptiles/amphibians that I've worked with. Hanging around together does not make them friends...anthropomorphizing is very easy to do, but should be avoided. And stress is not always obvious. Presence alone can induce stress, and the "hanging out" can actually be a result. Also not sure if the two things they do, being eating and sitting in pools, speaks very well of the time spent sitting in pools...I've never had darts spend much time doing that.

I'm not condoning or denouncing mixing, since it's not really going to make a difference. Rather just pointing out some things...

I'm not trying to make friends. If you can get beyond the fact that there are different morphs in this tank, you might be able to see that the glass isn't foggy, the plants are flourishing and the inhabitants are co-existing happily. My oldest frogs are 8yo; the youngest are almost 1yo. I love looking at this tank and I watch my frogs' interaction with great amusement. They're too preoccupied with hunting or soaking in the ponds to worry about anything else.

Yep - my pride n joy.....
 

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Why not just appreciate her tank and let her decide how she keeps her frogs. Guppygirl do it your way and let everyone else eat flies.
 
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To the OP:

Now that I got that out of my system...

I'm not trying to make friends.
Okay, so you can come on this website to intentionally stir up trouble and debate so you can make yourself look better and put others down. That's just dumb and immature if you ask me. If you're not looking to make friends/learn from others, then why are you on an online forum? Obviously we can't force you to do anything with this tank so no one will really win the fight. When you say that you just leave the tadpoles in there to starve... I mean come on... that's horribly inhumane. I'm not going to say anymore but I could keep going on and on. I usually don't get involved in these threads but putting other members down for trying to help is just arrogant.
 

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Just something that struck me as odd, but if you're not here to make friends, then why bother? Seems to me, then, that it's just an opportunity to get people riled up intentionally. You seem to use phrases, and then don't follow through, which I feel leads to a lot of questioning on the part of everyone else as well. When you say things like "Now, about stress/aggression - apply a little common sense here and you'll figure it out" and "This tank is not the norm" and leave it hanging like that...well, honestly, I don't see anything behind either of these statements. I'd love to hear more on the stress/aggression, as well as how this tank is not the norm.

Also two notes on behavior that I've pulled from not only dart frogs, but the many, many species of fish and other reptiles/amphibians that I've worked with. Hanging around together does not make them friends...anthropomorphizing is very easy to do, but should be avoided. And stress is not always obvious. Presence alone can induce stress, and the "hanging out" can actually be a result. Also not sure if the two things they do, being eating and sitting in pools, speaks very well of the time spent sitting in pools...I've never had darts spend much time doing that.

I'm not condoning or denouncing mixing, since it's not really going to make a difference. Rather just pointing out some things...
The 'I'm not here to make friends' is a response to Varanoid's post. There are very few froggers in the south and I'm not as lucky as the folks up north to have someone to talk 'frog' with. I'm here to help. Different folks can share ideas for a better vivarium setup. One of the issues is is that the glass fogs up. We were able to overcome the issue with a simple airflow system. Another issue is the water feature - how to get to the pump if it breaks down. We set up an external pump system that works like a charm.

As for the tank not being the 'norm', how many 150g vivariums do you have sitting around your house? Yes, it was a lot of work and bit of money and the frogs that are in it have co-existed for many years for some, and not so long for others. I'm sorry y'all are all hung up on the mixed morph issue, but it is what it is. Once upon a time, I had a single, slightly disabled 'El Dorado' pumilio included in a mixed tank and he did just fine for 18 months. It was a matter of space at the time. After I was 'shamed' into moving him into his own enclosure, the little guy disappeared, and I really do miss him. I have no idea of his whereabouts as I haven't seen him in 6 months. I should've left him where he was, although pumilio are an aggressive frog. No, I wouldn't add pumilio to this tank - it's strictly dendrobates morphs.

I'm not trying to get people 'riled' up. It's a well-made tank; it's beautiful; it's quiet; and the 7 inhabitants co-exist nicely.

So, try not to get folks riled up, okay? Thanks ~
 

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Mitch you must feel pretty cool name calling on a dart frog message board, I didnt see anywhere in her post that she asked for help either. These are frogs, we keep them in our houses...climb off your soap boxes. If you dont have anything nice to say...go read your comic books
 
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To the OP:

Now that I got that out of my system...


Okay, so you can come on this website to intentionally stir up trouble and debate so you can make yourself look better and put others down. That's just dumb and immature if you ask me. If you're not looking to make friends/learn from others, then why are you on an online forum? Obviously we can't force you to do anything with this tank so no one will really win the fight. When you say that you just leave the tadpoles in there to starve... I mean come on... that's horribly inhumane. I'm not going to say anymore but I could keep going on and on. I usually don't get involved in these threads but putting other members down for trying to help is just arrogant.
Whoa there, big boy - how have I put any member down for commenting on my thread? If so, it was not intentional, so lighten up. Most of the newer members are paraphrasing every single mixing thread there is on this board. The frogs are my 'singles' and I can't fix up a tank for each and every one of them. About the tads starving? Seriously, there is no way these frogs can reproduce in this tank. If I understand it correctly, tadpoles prefer puddles rather than moving water. I'm a nature lover and it breaks my heart to watch the spring-peeper tads' tiny puddles dry up due to the drought.

Am I correct in saying that they are different morphs? Yes, I think so. I'm not mixing species, and my frogs don't seem to know the difference that they're different morphs.

Trust me, I mean no harm. I was hoping to keep this thread focused on the tank rather than the inhabitants. Unfortunately, members keep bringing up the different frogs.....
 

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Your tank is beautiful and hoping all goes well with your frogs!!
Thank you, kind lady - we worked very hard to make it a show piece. So far, so good on the frogs, but I'll keep an eye on 'em just in case....


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Mitch you must feel pretty cool name calling on a dart frog message board, I didnt see anywhere in her post that she asked for help either. These are frogs, we keep them in our houses...climb off your soap boxes. If you dont have anything nice to say...go read your comic books
Well said, kind sir! I (obviously) couldn't have said it any better.


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First off let me say that the tank looks great

As far as the mixing goes, thats your choice and seems like nothing is going to sway you otherwise.

The only advice I can give is that it doesn't hurt to listen to peoples advice on the board. A lot of these members do know quite a bit. But just from reading the thread it def seems like you were looking to get people going on another "mix species tank thread" which ultimately leads to arguments and comments that def could be done without. Thats my opinion.

Like I said and others to, this is a place for people to come and learn. And I dont know where I saw this on here but im giving credit to whoever it was/is "once you think you know everything, then problems begin to start" (something like that)

Thanks

Vinnner
 
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