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I can understand downsizing as life and goals etc. may change, but you mention a plan from a few years ago, can you elaborate on that?
A large part of our house is still due to renovation. We already knew years aggo the enclosures had to fysicaly move when the time came to start working on our livingroom/ kitchen area.

Some of the options were to either build and move them to a dedicated frogroom or to move the enclosures to a temporary frogroom and back to the livingroom when the renovation was finished or to simply dowsize the hobby.
 

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Amazing shot @Tijl -- those colours alone couldn't be more perfect and you nailed the shot.
Thanks! Glad you also like it.

The contrast of the blue color against the red works like a charm for the picture!

I like to believe this Pumilio male also knew calling from the top of that fruit + the contrast of colors works in his advantage to get some female attention. Or mayebe that is just a wild guess..
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After well over two years of prepartion and logistical work ; I'm excited to announce that I'mfinaly able to enforce the 'CC' Minyobates Steyermarki conservation program and happily welcome these 1.0.4 Venezuelan 'Demonic Poison Frogs' to our frogroom.






It will be a huge (personal) challenge to successfully breed this criticaly endangered species and help expand the program to reach it's future goal of aquiring and maintaining at least 110 geneticly diverse breeding adults and 20 consistent breeding 'facilities'.
At this very moment the program consist of only 3 'potential' breeders and a diverse group of 15 indiviuals, wich means we still have a long way to go to make sure of this species 'ex situ' survival. A lot is going on behind the scenes of CC and everyone is comminting 100% so fingers crossed.

For moreinfo on the program check out ;


And the frogs ;


Btw, if you are interested in helping out the program, don't hesitate to contact CC!
 

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Just a heads up for US residents: getting involved in any sort of 'hands-on-frogs' way with this project for this species isn't possible in any straightforward way under US federal law, as there are no CITES exports on record for this species into or out of any country.
 
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Just a heads up for US residents: getting involved in any sort of 'hands-on-frogs' way with this project for this species isn't possible in any straightforward way under US federal law, as there are no CITES exports on record for this species into or out of any country.
This aplies to every country for that matter.

This species are and always will be property of CC and their zoological partners, the only way be able to work with these frogs in a 'legal' way is trough their program.
 

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That's interesting and useful information.

Not sure how that would fit into US legislation exactly. As an EU Annex B species being moved within the EU for noncommercial purposes no EU permits are needed (source). US law doesn't distinguish between commercial and non-commercial transport, though, and of course a CITES permit would be needed for export from the EU. I've heard of cases in which USFWS retains ownership of confiscated animals while they're in the care of zoos as a legal workaround; something like this would have to be in place on the US end for this to be strictly legal. US law prohibits even transportation of such species regardless of who owns them, so this would be a challenging situation.

At any rate, this sounds like a great way to structure the program. Best of luck to you in breeding them. :)
 

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That's interesting and useful information.

Not sure how that would fit into US legislation exactly. As an EU Annex B species being moved within the EU for noncommercial purposes no EU permits are needed (source). US law doesn't distinguish between commercial and non-commercial transport, though, and of course a CITES permit would be needed for export from the EU. I've heard of cases in which USFWS retains ownership of confiscated animals while they're in the care of zoos as a legal workaround; something like this would have to be in place on the US end for this to be strictly legal. US law prohibits even transportation of such species regardless of who owns them, so this would be a challenging situation.

At any rate, this sounds like a great way to structure the program. Best of luck to you in breeding them. :)
That is also very interesting 😄
I will take this into question to the meetup in 6 months unless you would be interested in contacting and asking them yourself. Hopefully I'm able to provide us the answer if it's not of a hury.

I'm sure the coordinationgroup is working on such logistics and possibly already have worked such problems out, it is my understanding they plan and work in phases to establish and expand towards a global 'seedbank'. So I don't see how this would not be on their agenda

I was also told yesterday that they already have groups of Terribils and A.Lemur in their US program. But it's my suspicion those are probably a genetic pool that was already present or established in the US.. I did not ask.

Not sure that Minyobates are even present in the US zoological circuit. But again that's also far from bed since I'm only a participating breeder in the pilot phase of the program.
 
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