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Old 10-17-2015, 05:58 PM
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I set this tank up a year ago as a struck plant tank. It has ceramic balls underneath a weed barrier, all of this is under a thick layer of coco bark and some dirt and sphagnum moss. I forgot the names of the plants, save for the crypt. Without changing what I have, is this capable of hosting a small frog, toad, or other creature?

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I forgot to mention that it's a 10 gallon tank. I also have a screen top for it.

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Did you put any fertilizers in there?
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Did you put any fertilizers in there?
It is possible that very small amounts are in there, as I water the plant (with a spray bottle) using water I gather from one of my several planted fish tanks. The only ferts I dose are micros, and even then I only dose them very lightly ever so often.
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I would be interested in something with a low bio-load as the tank isnt set up to be cleaned very easily. Would a small animals feces etc be used by the plants without creating an overload/toxic environment?
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Any fertilizers and you could be risking any animals health...

The problem if the tank is hard to clean is more about a method to remove any water that accumulates on the bottom. If you can't do that then the problem is obvious.

If you are able to remove water then as long as you seed with springs and iso's you should be fine in terms of waste recycling.

But again it sounds like the fertilizers are the biggest problem.
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Yeah, no easy way to remove water. Other that possibly using a turkey baster, but then I would have to make a hole through my substrate, through the weed barrier and into the clay balls.

As for the ferts, if I stop adding water from the fish aquariums and replace it with tap water would it eventually flush out?
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Looks like even if you were able to keep frogs in there, you wouldnt be able to see them.
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Looks like even if you were able to keep frogs in there, you wouldnt be able to see them.
That wouldn't matter much to the frogs...
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That wouldn't matter much to the frogs...
No, but kinda defeats the purpose for the poster
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No, but kinda defeats the purpose for the poster
Maybe it doesn't. You'd be surprised how many people keep what are essentially boxes of dirt, plants, springtails and isos because their herp is hiding or burrowed or whatnot 90% of the time :P
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You'll definitely need a better top.


You should be able to modify your drainage to allow foelr a tube to be slipped down there to siphon excess water. Better to do it now, before adding fauna.
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Looks like even if you were able to keep frogs in there, you wouldnt be able to see them.
I would do some trimming if I were to introduce fauna. I started the whole thing a year ago to see how I felt about terrestrial plants as opposed to aquatic. Now, after a year, I feel like its wasted space when something, anything, could be living in there.

I admittedly know nothing about tree frogs, and would want something very easy. I would even go the red belly toad route, as I had one when I was a kid and they seemed pretty interesting.

Just spit balling ideas at this point and figured Id look to the boards for some advice.

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You'll definitely need a better top.


You should be able to modify your drainage to allow foelr a tube to be slipped down there to siphon excess water. Better to do it now, before adding fauna.
That sounds like a great idea. You think a piece of PVC would do it? Or is that toxic?
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Pvc is just fine. It is already neutral that's why it's used in plumbing
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PVC is only a problem when heated. Your frogs will die before your PVC gets up potentially harmful temps.
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[QUOTE=Rushthezeppelin;2497602]Maybe it doesn't. You'd be surprised how many people keep what are essentially boxes of dirt, plants, springtails and isos because their herp is hiding or burrowed or whatnot 90% of the time :P[/QUOTE
He already has this tank, I don't think he's asking for a pet he can have and never see. I think the purpose of the list was " Hey, since I'm already have this tank of spare plants, what can I put in it that I can enjoy?" You may be right though
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I would not underestimate the fertilization with aquarium water, as light it may be, so it is better if you stop using aquarium water.
However, you need to drain the vivs and the way you've been advised is the better, IMO.
Your viv also needs a little fan for some ventilation.
That said, I would see in your viv a pair of Phyllobates vittatus or Epipedbates anthonyi.
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Maybe it doesn't. You'd be surprised how many people keep what are essentially boxes of dirt, plants, springtails and isos because their herp is hiding or burrowed or whatnot 90% of the time :P[/QUOTE
He already has this tank, I don't think he's asking for a pet he can have and never see. I think the purpose of the list was " Hey, since I'm already have this tank of spare plants, what can I put in it that I can enjoy?" You may be right though
Bingo. Looking for a pet to put in a tank I already have. Any help would be great.

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I would not underestimate the fertilization with aquarium water, as light it may be, so it is better if you stop using aquarium water.
However, you need to drain the vivs and the way you've been advised is the better, IMO.
Your viv also needs a little fan for some ventilation.
That said, I would see in your viv a pair of Phyllobates vittatus or Epipedbates anthonyi.
Maybe a dumb question, but why exactly would I have to drain the tank? If I have a "false bottom" of ceramic balls, wouldnt the water just collect in there until it evaporates. The way I currently water, there is never standing water at the bottom. I spray enough to wet the substrate. If I switched out the current cover (plexiglass and a piece of plastic--used to retain the humidity) to my screened lid, then evaporation would be even quicker.

Would the feces and excrement from one small frog or toad really foul up the water to toxic levels before the plants and micro fauna are able to absorb them?
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I have a false bottom of expanded clay in every viv, yet the water - misting only 15 seconds per day - it collects to make soggy the bottom. For this I need to drain.
I think this is for all viv. If you think your viv does not need to drain, that's okay.
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