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Old 09-02-2013, 04:57 AM
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Question Phyllomedusine behavior question

This serious behavior Q is for anyone with real experience with phyllomedusines, specifically:

Agalychnis annae
Pachymedusa dacnicolor
Phyllomedusa sauvagii
Phyllomedusa tompterna

My question is only about behavior--Are all of these four guys obligate nocturnal, I mean the way a red eye is so #[email protected]! nocturnal? I have never maintained any phyllomedusines. I have no interest in any frog that wants me to stay up till 1 AM for me to observe it, and the folded up on the leaf schtick gets tired real fast.

I understand that many "tree frogs" are nocturnal. But I have kept many frogs that will bask in the open, and come out early evening before all the lights are off, hoping to be fed.

In 28 years, have kept:

Hyla cinerea
H. chrysocelis
H. gratiosa
Smilisca baudini
Dendrosophus marmoratus
Hypsiboas crepitans
Phrynohyas(?) venulosa
Litoria caerula
L. infrafrenata

Kassina maculata
Hyperolius glandicolor
Leptopelis flavomaculata
Polypedates dennysii
P. leucomystax


All 14 of these species--all of them--will come out before all the lights go out (and many long before early evening!). None pull the red eye stunt of, "turn that light on and I'm gone." (I confess, I can't #@$! stand that...) And most, btw, can be hand fed.

This is a lifestyle issue--I do best with animals that are active around the dinner hour (Our dinner hour, you wise guyz). I simply do not have the time or patience for red lights, glo lights, flash lights,etc.

SO: Do any of the above phyllomedusines get with the program, or do they all behave like red eyes ?

(Meaning, I stick with hylids, hyperoliids, rhacophorids)

I thank you guys in advance for the heads up.

P.S.

Also had this casque headed thing (No, not Triprion) long grey guy with a flat, round, disc shaped face. Never able to definitely ID. Came in with some tropical plants with Cuban tree frogs, but who knows the real origin of south Florida herps? Bit nervous, voracious eater.

P.S.S. 1:25 AM: I had a Trachycephalus atlas?!? How?!?
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:04 PM
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I've never kept Pachymedusa dacnicolor (which is going go be Agalychnis now, BTW), but I have witnessed captive specimens basking with their eyes open during the day.
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I really got to get on this page more often.. To answer your question yes they are very nocturnal. You can observe the animals before 1 am if their light cylce ( daylight) is shut off by 8pm & a actinic light ( not a black light which puts out harmful UVB , but a 50/50 bulb)turns on right after ( providing there is no ambient light in the room) the day light shuts off. The actinic bulb is dark enough for the animal to wake up, shed and hunt for food and yrt you can observe the animal in motion. Sauvagii wiil take food out of your hand while it is sleeping if you tickle its nose with the cricket. Even p. Bicolor will take food from your hand. Although I strongly suggest using tongs. In my experiense, they will try to eat your figer and the teeth in the back of their mouths will hurt and you will bleed. Just sayin.
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In my experiense, they will try to eat your figer and the teeth in the back of their mouths will hurt and you will bleed. Just sayin.
Sounds like someone is speaking from experience

I've always been intrigued by this group of frogs and honestly have been wondering the same questions you have. Hope to learn a little more about these guys in the next few days of posts
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I use to keep phyllomedusa hypochondrialis, which is not on your list. Sorry about that. You should consider them!

Anyway. The hypochondrialis would wake up the second my lights went out, regardless of house lighting. So I had the lights go out around 7 and then I could watch and feed them for a few hours. There was still plenty of ambient light to watch them. I would easily go for this species again.

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Yes I have experienced the bite of a bicolor. Its pretty intense. Lol. There is so much to learn about them.
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Groundhog, I have 2 Phyllomedusa tomopterna (thank you Mr Novy ) and I love them. I am far from an expert though, so these are observations from a noob:

They are strictly nocturnal. I shut down the tank lights, in the frog room, around 8. They get up pretty quickly and start doing their thing. If I shine a light in the tank to watch, they will go back to bed. They will stay up if I use less intrusive light, like turning on the bathroom light that is next to their tank or shining a flashlight to the side of the tank instead of into it. I think I'll check into the light that Mike was talking about. I'd love to see them in action more often.

That said, they are still amazing little creatures and lots of fun to have around.
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Groundhog, here's a video I took of one of my tree frogs shedding. The light was to the side of the tank rather then shining into the tank. Just enough to see him but not so bright that he stopped and went back to sleep.

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Handsome animals! How do you know "he's" a he?
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Handsome animals! How do you know "he's" a he?
I don't know. That was the generic 'he.'
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I don't know. That was the generic 'he.'
...Which is why I've taken to writing the pretentious '(s)he'--wouldn't want the dames to doubt my feminist cred...
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...Which is why I've taken to writing the pretentious '(s)he'--wouldn't want the dames to doubt my feminist cred...
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