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Chris Miller 05-30-2014 04:36 PM

Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
With all the renewed interest in these frogs, I figured it would be a good idea to trace back where all our frogs originated.

Please feel free to add to this thread if you are currently keeping these frogs. If you used to and sold them off - please direct the new owners here too.

Below is my understanding on the 'lines' in the hobby. I'm sure I'm missing stuff...

First IAD's (1999-2000's)/European Imports
It seems like all the lamasi that appeared at those shows came through the same European source.

Producers of this line:
Chris Miller
Rich Frye
Josh's Frogs
Zach Brinks
Adam Butt?

Tor Linbo Import
An import brought in by Tor early 2000's from Europe

Producers of this line:
Tor Linbo
Zach Brinks


2010ish Holland Import
A private import approximately 4 years ago

Producers of this line:
Julio

2014 Euro Import
Another private import

Producers of this line:
Damian

Julio 05-30-2014 05:24 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
i am not sure that all these frogs originated from the same European source. Back in late 1999 Ron Galiardo was able to get me a small group of these guys when he was working at The Boa Barn.

Chris Miller 05-30-2014 05:57 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
You don't still have those frogs do you?

My understanding was that there were a handful of people in Germany with them who sold/exported through 1-2 others to the US. Larry and my lamasi came through Paul/Ron and were picked up at the show. Samples also started dealing with the same people over there. I've still got offspring from both of those sources in my breeding groups

There's a lot of grey with those first frogs and I'm betting that many of the onesy-twosey imports are gone. Hoping that the thread will shed more light on that time period.

Julio 05-30-2014 06:10 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
unfortunately i don't have those frogs anymore, my last offspring from the 90s was sold to Larry, but he lost it to when he had a heat issue. The Holland line i acquired through a friend from a few years back.

thedude 05-31-2014 11:51 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
They all came from Europe? That seems odd to me. I was sure I had heard of them coming in legally from Peru in the 90s.

Also, Darren Meyer has been working with these for a long time, but I'm not sure what line.

Roadrunner 05-31-2014 11:55 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
I can't remember who got mine or what year it was but I brought in a very female heavy group in the late 90's I think.

Chris Miller 06-01-2014 12:39 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedude (Post 1971401)
They all came from Europe? That seems odd to me. I was sure I had heard of them coming in legally from Peru in the 90s.

As far as I've found about what's currently in the hobby, it seems like they all trace back to Euro imports. Though I'm not trying to present my thoughts as gospel, just trying to figure it all out.

The first I saw them on the internet was in the mid-late 90's on the SDS page I think - Bernd Pieper photo credit possibly. First time in person was at IAD when Larry Marshall and I bought ours. They were officially described in '92 so considering past practice, it's likely they started making it into the hobby soon after that or even as ventrimaculatus or quinquevittatus before that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedude (Post 1971401)
Also, Darren Meyer has been working with these for a long time, but I'm not sure what line.

Thanks, I'll ask him.

Chris Miller 06-01-2014 12:42 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadrunner (Post 1971409)
I can't remember who got mine or what year it was but I brought in a very female heavy group in the late 90's I think.

Direct from Peru?

I have a feeling that we are going to be saddened to see all the lamasi that burned up over the past 15 or so years in the hobby.

Roadrunner 06-01-2014 04:26 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Nope, although they may have been from Peru via eu. I don't think it would've been as female heavy if they were collected though. They actually did better than most of the rest of the shipment and were all near adult to adult frogs.

It was the shipment me and the tarantula guys from cali did. Can't remember their company name.

Araknoculture

dmartin72 01-17-2015 12:21 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Interesting thread...not many lines.

Boondoggle 01-17-2015 07:06 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Hmmm. That's interesting. I have a group that descended from 4 lamasi purchased at Frog Day, 2010. The seller (super legit board member) told me they had come from the Czech line and the parents were from Europe. Can I safely assume they are from the Tor Linbo import?

tongo 02-06-2015 06:14 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Was wondering if you can mix lines, say joshsfrogs with holland?

Spaff 02-06-2015 06:34 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Yes, you should attempt to maximize the genetics of your groups mixing the lines. These are bottlenecked enough as it is.

stu&shaz 02-13-2015 09:03 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Chris can anyone give more info on the euro imports please. Stemming from somewhere close, ha blighty, I'm curious as to the origins of these euro imports and their lineage?

many thanks

Stu

chuckpowell 02-16-2015 02:59 PM

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I got a pair in the mid- to late-80's from a German importer directly from Peru. They came in with a bunch of silverstoni. I produced and sold a few offspring before they were killed in a stupid, stupid accident. I can't remember who I sold offspring to or what happened to them. That line probably died out but I don't know.

Best,

Chuck

chuckpowell 02-16-2015 03:08 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
I got a pair in the mid- to late-80's from a German importer directly from Peru. They came in with a bunch of silverstoni. I produced and sold a few offspring before they were killed in a stupid, stupid accident. I can't remember who I sold offspring to. That line probably died out but I don't know.

Best,

Chuck

whitethumb 02-16-2015 04:31 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
I have a group of 4. They lay eggs all the time, so far they haven't given any good eggs.

dmartin72 02-16-2015 05:19 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
What line are they and are they directly related (siblings)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitethumb (Post 2285594)
I have a group of 4. They lay eggs all the time, so far they haven't given any good eggs.


whitethumb 02-16-2015 07:10 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Uhern and Frye line. Some are related and some aren't

hypostatic 02-18-2015 01:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaff (Post 2273482)
Yes, you should attempt to maximize the genetics of your groups mixing the lines. These are bottlenecked enough as it is.

There is so much fear of "mixing" by most in the hobby, that is seems people often don't mix things that they SHOULD, and as a result the population's genetic diversity goes down.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with mixing different lines/imports of the same thing.

dmartin72 05-04-2015 05:54 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
What line does Uhern fall into from the original message that Chris started at the top?

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitethumb (Post 2285706)
Uhern and Frye line. Some are related and some aren't


dmartin72 05-04-2015 05:59 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
So who is still around that is working with them and what line?

Boondoggle 05-04-2015 06:04 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmartin72 (Post 2361761)
So who is still around that is working with them and what line?

I still have a group that descended from 4 lamasi purchased at Frog Day, 2010. All I know is that they had come from the Czech line and the parents were from Europe. I assume that puts them in with the Tor Linbo importation, but I'd love to know more about their origin.

I'm not sure I can say I'm really "working" with them, :) I mostly just leave them alone in a 40g overplanted, humid tank and they make buckets of babies. I've never really gotten a real count on how many are in there, but I see new eggs and babies all the time. I'll have to audit that tank eventually, but I'm not looking forward to that.

Incidentally, most of the eggs I see are actually layed on the vertical glass. There are a few film canisters in there too, but I've never really checked them.

dmartin72 05-04-2015 07:28 PM

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Buckets of babies...really? Care to trade for diversity?

Boondoggle 05-04-2015 08:32 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmartin72 (Post 2362273)
Buckets of babies...really? Care to trade for diversity?

Dammit, your going to make me inventory that tank, aren't you? :)

PM me and we can arrange something. I'm crazy busy currently but maybe in a month or so?

dmartin72 05-04-2015 08:44 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
That's fine...no hurry. I'll PM you.

David

Boondoggle 05-03-2016 12:37 AM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
I'm embarrassed to discover after comparing all kinds of conflicting information, that it's much more likely the frogs I have are Orange Panguana Sirensis, and not Highlands. I apologize to those whom I've been in correspondence with.

I knew the breeder and the importation and still had a hell of a time getting an accurate diagnosis. Apologies.

Swampwater 05-07-2016 11:20 PM

Anyone still working with highlands?? I currently have two from Josh's frogs

carola1155 12-21-2016 06:07 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
based on what I've seen on facebook... I feel like this thread needs a bump.

Gibbs.JP 12-21-2016 06:21 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carola1155 (Post 2804945)
based on what I've seen on facebook... I feel like this thread needs a bump.

Indeed... interesting comments from the new Netherlands shipment on facebook.

I've got a 1.2 that I traced back to have come from Josh's Frogs & Rich Frye. It's very tempting to add in some new blood from this coming group, especially since I haven't had any production from my trio yet. Although they've only been together a few weeks.

athiker04 04-01-2020 02:23 PM

Re: Hobby Genetics - Highland Sirensis (Lamasi)
 
I'd love to get this thread back from the dead. It seems like there are still a fair number of people working with these frogs. I just acquired a group of 3 from the Holland line - I assume 2016. It looks like they may turn out to be all male which I sort of see as a good thing as it will hopefully allow me to find some females to finish out a non sibling breeding group of 5 or 6.

Any particular line that would be seen as better or worse for mixing with these? I assume, as stated above, it would be better for the limited genetics of this species/locale to mix these males with something other than the 2016 Dutch imports.

Also, anyone have experience or opinions on female:male ratios for breeding success.

Thanks for any info.


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