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Old 11-27-2013, 05:14 PM
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Default Any new mosses to the hobby?

Sorry if this topic has been thoroughly discussed.

What mosses are currently being used in the hobby?
I have the typical mosses used in fish aquariums- Java Taxiphyllum barbieri, weeping, xmas, etc.
I have looked into getting some mosses/bryophytes from Thailand. Just waiting to hear back from the supplier.

What's out there guys? What are you using in your vivs?
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I suggest looking into the mosses offered by Manuran and Blue Pumilio here. Top quality tropical terrestrial mosses!!!



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I suggest looking into the mosses offered by Manuran and Blue Pumilio here. Top quality tropical terrestrial mosses!!!
Thanks I will. I have been on the search for rare-ish mosses.
I'm trying to put together a trip to Costa Rica with a friend of mine who is also a biologist. We want to get collecting and export permits and look for some new plants and mosses.
The only catch is that we need to put together a conservation project in order to take specimens from Costa Rica. My friend works for the state of Florida as an invasive plant species specialist. Although his true specialty is herps.
So still trying to put together something positive that gives back to Costa Rica's beautiful environment.
It can't be just about getting new plants for my vivs!

Still wondering what people have in their tanks. Anyone got some cool moss photos? Maybe some good epiphytic moss?
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I'm trying to source some Fissidens nobilis and Plagiochilaceae sp. Cameroon. They look pretty neat and they are in the aquarium hobby but not so much in the states yet. If your able to get a hold of some let me know!

Fissidens nobilis is very large compared to the ubiquitous Fissidens fontanus

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Oh yah Rhodobryum giganteum is a neat palm looking moss. This one looks pretty bad/does bad underwater, but from what i read about it, it does fine in vivariums.

Like the others they are usually sold in asia.

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I've had good luck with the black jungle tropical moss. Needs good light and decent water hitting it during the day. But it does well for me and looks awesome. Only downside - not cheap. And doesn't spread that fast (hence the high price I assume...)
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Fantastic mosses guys! That Fissidens and Umbrella moss look awesome. I have been hesitant to buy the live moss from BlackJungle. Seems to get mixed reviews and BlackJungle like many other vendors fail to give a scientific name or native location for the moss. Which is important if you are looking for true tropical mosses.

I have been using EpiWeb Moss mix for a month now, seems like it's mostly live sphagnum. Hoping it grows some other mosses over time. Says they htrow in peperomias and other plant seeds as well, but I haven't seen anything growing other than the sphagnum.

Keep the pics coming! Let see everyone's mosses.
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I have been using EpiWeb Moss mix for a month now, seems like it's mostly live sphagnum. Hoping it grows some other mosses over time. Says they htrow in peperomias and other plant seeds as well, but I haven't seen anything growing other than the sphagnum.
I have some different types of mosses growing. Interestingly i get the most varied growth out of my mix on tree fern panels. On my tree fern panels with epiweb moss mix, i have fern, some sphagnum, and a couple different types of mosses growing. From my mix on cork, I just have sphagnum growing. (I have never used the moss mix on epiweb or hygrolon, so I can't speak to those)

Also, neherp has some pretty decent terrarium moss as well. It grows a bit more upwards in my experience.
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The umbrella moss is pretty cool. I think I read previously that some member in australia or new zealand had some. I don't think its made its way to the US though







I think, though, that any new relatively mosses that you'd find being used in the hobby would be in the classifieds. Or maybe try ebay?
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Oops originally posted this on wrong thread.
Well this isn't some rare exotic tropic moss but I think it's pretty cool.
I found it growing here in New England (VT) but it definitely doesn't go dormant (does any moss?) and it definitely is more floating than any moss I've ever seen.


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Oops originally posted this on wrong thread.
Well this isn't some rare exotic tropic moss but I think it's pretty cool.
I found it growing here in New England (VT) but it definitely doesn't go dormant (does any moss?) and it definitely is more floating than any moss I've ever seen.


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That's really cool. I have tried to grow mosses that are native here in michigan. They usually do good for about 1-2 months then begin to brown out and die. I think my tanks are just too warm for them. Plus humid stagnant air. I use distilled water and no ferts, so I know it isn't that.

It's awesome that you found some that does well. You could probably grow and sell it!
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The umbrella moss is pretty cool. I think I read previously that some member in australia or new zealand had some. I don't think its made its way to the US though







I think, though, that any new relatively mosses that you'd find being used in the hobby would be in the classifieds. Or maybe try ebay?
Not necessarily looking to buy right now. It's just too dang cold outside. I am really interested in epiphytic bryophytes- Tropical mosses that grow on tree branches. I have been talking with someone from Thailand who is currently trying to get me some. However, I still must wait until spring to purchase it.

I love all mosses though. I have been fascinated with mosses and ferns for as long as I can remember.

Years and years ago before the internet was so popular a friend of mine and myself tried to build a 50gallon long terrarium. We built a drainage layer from gravel and sand, had a small water section with a waterfall, and collected native plants, mosses, and wood. We weren't very educated in the subject and ultimately failed. Mostly due to the fact we used tap water, and had only a small desk lamp lighting the entire thing. Not to mention it was some generic light bulb labeled a "grow bulb". All the plant's slowly died, and eventually it was a tank filled with mush/mud.

Fast forward to the present and I am growing orchids, ferns, and mosses quite successfully! Due in no small part to the great knowledgeable people on the dendroboard forum!

Keep those photos coming! What's in your tank?
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I good option is to buy so orchids from andy's and most of them have a low growing tropical moss on them! Just spread it around and ur good, it's a twofer when you buy from there in my opinion.
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Here are some pics of mosses growing in my fairly new vertical 20g long. Mostly Java moss, but there is some xmas, and unknowns.
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I good option is to buy so orchids from andy's and most of them have a low growing tropical moss on them! Just spread it around and ur good, it's a twofer when you buy from there in my opinion.
That's a great idea! I also got on the mailing list for Rareferns.com. Hoping I can get some cool ferns from Charles, and maybe some tropical mosses as well.
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That Umbrella moss looks awesome, too bad it isn't here (yet?)
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Not a great shot, but here's an example shot showing a few of the mosses I field collected in a swamp in the woods behind my in-law's place in Western PA 4 years ago or so.



A number of the species have spread very well and I have them in maybe half of my terrariums. They seem to do great in high humidity and moderately bright light. They do even better if you hit them with consistent misting. I've never put any of it through a dormancy period, but I would definitely agree that most temperate species won't last or spread in a tropical terrarium.

The one at the top (background) is my favorite of all the moss species I've ever worked with. Under the right conditions it grows in little whirled pattern that looks like something from a Dr. Seuss illustration.
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That Fissidens nobilis looks amazing but I'd assume it's really a temperate moss like F. fontanus. I've never gotten fontanus to grow well in my tropical aquaria regardless of high or low tech setup yet it grows like a weed in my low tech coldwater aquarium.


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Not a great shot, but here's an example shot showing a few of the mosses I field collected in a swamp in the woods behind my in-law's place in Western PA 4 years ago or so.



A number of the species have spread very well and I have them in maybe half of my terrariums. They seem to do great in high humidity and moderately bright light. They do even better if you hit them with consistent misting. I've never put any of it through a dormancy period, but I would definitely agree that most temperate species won't last or spread in a tropical terrarium.

The one at the top (background) is my favorite of all the moss species I've ever worked with. Under the right conditions it grows in little whirled pattern that looks like something from a Dr. Seuss illustration.
Just a heads up, you don't want to be feeding flies on the moss. The vitamin powder will eventually kill the moss.
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The umbrella moss is pretty cool. I think I read previously that some member in australia or new zealand had some. I don't think its made its way to the US though





These look to me like mosses in the Genus Hypnodendron. I recently got a species of this from a vendor from Malaysia. It is just getting established.
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I make a point of dumping the flies on hardscape or plants I don't care about. It's hard to tell in that shot, but the flies landed on the rock next to the frog. The brush-off from the flies as they walk around hasn't seemed to cause a noticeable problem.

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These look to me like mosses in the Genus Hypnodendron. I recently got a species of this from a vendor from Malaysia. It is just getting established.
Yes, I do believe that is the genus. Also, where does one find these importers? lol
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Got this from Hawaii. I'm pretty sure it's a liverwort but it's neat. If it survives I'll be happy. Has not been happy trying to adjust to Florida.

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These look to me like mosses in the Genus Hypnodendron. I recently got a species of this from a vendor from Malaysia. It is just getting established.

Who is your vendor if I may ask? I am always on the lookout for new suppliers.
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Got this from Hawaii. I'm pretty sure it's a liverwort but it's neat. If it survives I'll be happy. Has not been happy trying to adjust to Florida.

I was trying to talk someone into collecting some local mosses from Hawaii a while back. Ultimately it fell thru. Do you happen to know someone who is willing to collect and ship? I believe it is legal to collect and export as long as it comes from private property.

Was really interested in getting some epiphytic moss.
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I was trying to talk someone into collecting some local mosses from Hawaii a while back. Ultimately it fell thru. Do you happen to know someone who is willing to collect and ship? I believe it is legal to collect and export as long as it comes from private property.

Was really interested in getting some epiphytic moss.
Gonocormus Minutus - it pops up on ebay here and there so just do a saved search for it. It's pretty easy in a terrarium so long as it stays moist. I've been growing mine in a deli cup for a year no with no issues and some extra liverworts sprouted from it which was a nice little surprise.

Another option to is to give Andy's Orchids a call as he sells moss mix and a large liverwort species that he brings to the reptile shows. The moss mix is a blend of all the tropical mosses he's been growing with his orchids from various parts of the world over the years. He doesn't offer it online I believe but a lot of stuff he offers usually isn't online and you have to call him for them.

There was another ebay seller named Neil who was offering 3 different umbrella moss species he got from the same distributor that Logan I believe may have got his from. If so I suggest contacting Bonnie Lorraine and she can help you out on those I'm sure. Umbrella mosses are probably the most challenging of bryophytes since they demand specific conditions such as the purest of water and specific substrates or they will die slowly and not recommended for the faint of heart ha ha.
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Gonocormus Minutus - it pops up on ebay here and there so just do a saved search for it. It's pretty easy in a terrarium so long as it stays moist. I've been growing mine in a deli cup for a year no with no issues and some extra liverworts sprouted from it which was a nice little surprise.

Another option to is to give Andy's Orchids a call as he sells moss mix and a large liverwort species that he brings to the reptile shows. The moss mix is a blend of all the tropical mosses he's been growing with his orchids from various parts of the world over the years. He doesn't offer it online I believe but a lot of stuff he offers usually isn't online and you have to call him for them.

There was another ebay seller named Neil who was offering 3 different umbrella moss species he got from the same distributor that Logan I believe may have got his from. If so I suggest contacting Bonnie Lorraine and she can help you out on those I'm sure. Umbrella mosses are probably the most challenging of bryophytes since they demand specific conditions such as the purest of water and specific substrates or they will die slowly and not recommended for the faint of heart ha ha.
I have Crepidomanes (Gonocormus) minutum from a different source. I am not convinced yet that the one I just posted here is the same thing. They are very similar though.

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Thanks, I will search for it. (actually just found it on ebay- 18.00 plus 3.00 shipping- no shipping in cold weather) I have been growing some Utricularia species in deli cups (doing great), plus that EpiWeb Moss mix. Which seems to mostly be sphagnum moss. Although I noticed today there is actually a few sprouts of some other moss.
You are the 3rd person that has recommended Bonnie! She must be awesome. I will keep her in mind for when the weather gets better.

I will also contact Andy and ask him about the moss mix- I would like to know exactly what kinds are in the mix. Something I wish EpiWeb would do.

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Gonocormus Minutus - it pops up on ebay here and there so just do a saved search for it. It's pretty easy in a terrarium so long as it stays moist. I've been growing mine in a deli cup for a year no with no issues and some extra liverworts sprouted from it which was a nice little surprise.

Another option to is to give Andy's Orchids a call as he sells moss mix and a large liverwort species that he brings to the reptile shows. The moss mix is a blend of all the tropical mosses he's been growing with his orchids from various parts of the world over the years. He doesn't offer it online I believe but a lot of stuff he offers usually isn't online and you have to call him for them.

There was another ebay seller named Neil who was offering 3 different umbrella moss species he got from the same distributor that Logan I believe may have got his from. If so I suggest contacting Bonnie Lorraine and she can help you out on those I'm sure. Umbrella mosses are probably the most challenging of bryophytes since they demand specific conditions such as the purest of water and specific substrates or they will die slowly and not recommended for the faint of heart ha ha.

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Antone, is Crepidomanes (Gonocormus) minutum considered a moss or a fern? I know that the minutus is called the filmy fern.
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I think it's technically a Liverwort. Just a guess. Maybe someone will chime in that knows a bit more.
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According to the following it is a fern in the order Polypodiales and family Hymenophyllaceae

Crepidomanes minutum

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Do you see the gamma cups present on the foliage? Only liverworts posess those.



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In pic 2 of the Gonocormus link just posted, you can see fully developed gamma cups on the foliage. Indicative of a liverwort, not a fern



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If the plant in question is accurately named, it is a fern and has vascular tissue. Gemmae cups are different than spore cups. Gemmae contain masses of asexually (mitotically) produced tissue rather than meiotically produced spores.

According to the University of Hawai'i site, those are "trumpet shaped cups that contain spores." Leaves containing spores rather than gemmae cups. A number of fern species produce specialized spore-bearing leaves (i.e Ophioglossum and Botrychium).

Here is another scientific paper referring to it as a fern in the Hymenophyllaceae:

Reticulate evolution in the Crepidomanes minutum sp... [Am J Bot. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI.
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I zoomed in super close on my photo and you can see spore in the cups. That is neat and at first did appear to be gemmae cups. Fern it is!
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Learn something new everyday. I didn't know ferns made those.



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Learn something new everyday. I didn't know ferns made those.
Yeah that's pretty amazing. I totally thought that was a liverwort. It looks very similar to other liverworts. Very bizarre.
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While I don't have many tropical mosses l do have silver tip moss Bryum argenteum and six others all locally collected in Colorado and will have been maintained for a year in January. I use tap water in a humidifier and occasionally hand mist. A 13 watt cal from Lowe's with a 6500 K rating for light. Oh and a native Selaginella (cliff moss) is in there too since March of 2013.

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