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Old 08-01-2006, 10:58 PM
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Hello, I just found some scale on a brom in my Phyllomedusa bicolor tank... so I was wondering whats the best way to get rid of the scale? Do I need to do anything to the other plants? So far I've only seen scale on the brom. Thanks
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I had some on a fireball and it just kept losing leaves so i threw it out.... i really think that is the best bet, to just get rid of the plant and replace it with a "clean" one before it spreads.
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Hi Mark,
If you can remove the plant from the enclosure, you might try an oil spray. I like to use 3 Tablespoons Olive Oil/1gallon water. Add 2-3 drops dishwashing detergent (dawn works great) and shake the heck out of it. Spray all surfaces of the infested plant to run off. Repeat this 3 times over 3 weeks ( i.e. a week apart). That will kill the scale almost certainly. The other problem is that the mobile phase of the life cycle can travel a good long ways. So you might have it in some other plants also. The idea of throwing the infested plant out is actually the best however. Physical removal is the ultimate form of control. Let me know if I can help.
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The brom is mounted on a piece of cork, do I need to boil the cork or do I not need to worry about the cork? Also how did I get the scale in the first place? The tank hasn't had any new plants added to it for about a year.
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Hi Steve,
Is the cork removable? If so just treat it with the oil at the same time as the plant and all will be well. Otherwise toss both cork and plant. If you want to save the cork and toss the plant, 10% bleach for about 20-30 minutes will do the job. Just rinse it off really good and let it dry completely to get rid of the chlorine. Where scale comes from can be difficult to determine. Sometimes the will lay dormant in soil for a long time. Also the crawler stage can travel remarkably long distances. Odds are they were there the whole time the population finally just got to a level where you noticed it. They are evil little buggers. Not as bad as mealy though. Good luck I hope you get rid of em. Let me know if I can help.
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Thanks Josh, do you think I should treat my other plants that are on the cork? (and yes I can remove the cork) Thanks a million
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I have a question. What does scale look like? Any pics?
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Hello, scale looks like tiny brown bumps that appear on plant leaves, the brown bumps (shells) are hard like scales hence the common name that they have. I don't have any pics of them right now and I hope to be rid of them (they are evil :evil: )
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Hi Steve,
If it is possible to treat all the plants it might not be the worst idea. That being said, if you have anything really fussy or delicate (read expensive), you might wanna test it first. Testing would be spraying a small part or a few leaves and waiting a week to see what happens. I have never had any bad reactions except with flowers. Orchid blooms and oil do not mix well. Do let the spray dry before putting back in the tank just to be safe. I don't think olive oil and soap would hurt frogs but better safe than sorry. Just remember you might have to do this more than the one round of three applications cause they might come back if they got down into the dirt. No big deal but just watch for the little buggers. Just another good excuse to watch the frog tank.
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Cool and thanks. I think I'm going to do a complete tear down and boil my gravel and treat all my good plants as you suggested. Thanks again!!
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According to Ed in south Jersey SOAP HURTS FROGS!
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I am sure Ed is right. I wonder if it is completely dry if it has potential to cause problems? Maybe Ed will let us know .
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Do you guys think a dry ice treatment would work?
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I don't know about the dry ice thing. It probaly wouldn't hurt anything. If you can keep the tank completely sealed for a good thirty minutes it might do the trick. I don't know as I have never tried it. I think it would be interesting to try flooding a tank with nitrogen gas. Should do the same thing in principle though. Heck give it a try and let us know . Someone always has to be first. Good luck!
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here are the scales i have on some broméliads:



i just found out that alcool 90° (like for alcool schwabs) works great on them.
i use an old soft tooth brush that i dip in the alcool 90°.
the alcool évaporates quickly and does not hurt the frogs ...

if i can get the brom out of the tera i then rinse it with water.
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Alcohol is only going to kill the ones that you see and come in contact with. The eggs (or whatever it is that scale uses to reproduce) will likely survive treatment, and you will be back to square one in a few months. The only sure-fire way to eradicate scale is to tear apart the viv, destroy all of the plants (or treat them with some serious pesticides), bleach the viv a few times, and start anew.

Using only alcohol or oil or anything like that is like trying to win a war using pennies and a slingshot. All you're gonna do is piss off the pests.

EDIT ~ BTW... the carbon dioxide treatment might work, but 30 minutes is not a very long time. You'd probably have to go with at least a couple of hours.
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