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Old 11-05-2010, 05:06 AM
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I don't remember where I heard/read this but thought I would ask: are the MINT form of P. terribilis the largest out of the three-ish available morphs? Or are they all comparable in size? Thanks in advance



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I would assume so but I don't know if there is a difference. My mint pair a few years back was massive!!
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:08 AM
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I only keep yellow terribilis, but I've seen several adult terribs at various frogger's places, and the mints always seemed to be huge. Could just be coincidence though.
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Mints do seem to be the biggest of the 3 morphs
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: Terribilis size

Is there anyone out there with the three that can say for sure?
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Any insight Ray?

I emailed Sean Stewart and this is his response:

"They are all the same size in my experience. They were also all described to be the same size by Meyers and Daly in their paper on the species description."

Now I'm confused. Is that right?? I really could have sworn I read somewhere that MINTS were the largest of the morphs!



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Rich Frye says:

"Mints are the biggest, then orange, then yellow."
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I have seen two varieties of female Tinc that were bigger than my yellows.
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Mints are the largest and after going down and looking at a dozen adult yellows and over a dozen oranges, I'd say they overlap a bit. The oranges seem a bit heavier bodied though.
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My mints were huge, at least IMO. They were about the size of some fire belly toads you see in pet stores and the would eat 1/4" crickets LOL.
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My Costa Rican auratus are about as big as my firebelly toads...the mints are bigger than that! Hehe


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Default Re: Terribilis size

Has anybody noticed a boldness contrasts between the morphs?

When my Mints were just over a month they were pretty bold (not moving for my hand in the viv) but I recently got some Yellows that are 4 months old and they hide a lot and are pretty skittish. (ducking for leaf litter as soon as they spot me)
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I have mints and oranges. They are pretty much the same size. The oranges are a lot bolder though.
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My mints were huge, at least IMO. They were about the size of some fire belly toads you see in pet stores and the would eat 1/4" crickets LOL.
My yellows are the size of FBTs. So far the largest dart I personally have ever seen are female wc Surinam cobalt tincs at recent shows, which were huge. If mints can get bigger than those...they would be approaching the size of a male fowlers toad.
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I have all 3, but of varying ages. I don't remember exactly how old the mints are, but they are by FAR the largest of the 3. If I remember right they are about 2.5-3 years old and both my yellow and orange are about 1.5-2 years. The age "might" account for the size difference, but I don't think the oranges or yellows will catch up to the mints. I'm not going to get them out to measure but they are all breeding age and I can tell you that my male yellow is only about 2/3 the size of either the male or female mint... and that might be being generous. Mints are HUGE... period. Some of the orange and yellow females are good size, but nowhere near a mint. Boldness... can't tell a difference. All 3 would let me pet them if I wanted to before they would move... and if there is food in the tank they could care less what I'm doing.
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Nice to hear from someone that has all three morphs, sbreland. Thanks a plenty!

What are you feeding your mint giants? 1/4"-1/2" crickets mayhaps? What was the source of your mints, if I may ask? (same for all three morphs mayhaps?) Finally, breeding activity?(group or pair setup?)

Thanks again, for responding to this thread....very informative!



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Umm... well, I feed them hydei, large 5/8 inch or 3/4 crickets, birds, small children... pretty much anything they can get their mouths around

Source is actually variable... I got 2 from a friend and one from another breeder that had an extra female. The mints are supposed to be 1.2 but so far the are only for sure a 1.0.2 as there has been no breeding. They are all supposedly proven but have been cycled down for awhile and i'm not really pressuring them to breed right now.

The yellows and oranges are the same way.. variable sources. I have a 1.2.1 (probable 2.2) of the yellows that are breeding like rabbits (something like 25 tads right now and 2 more clutches of 13+ incubating) and the oranges are getting in the mood. I have a 2.4.1 of the orange and when the male calls it's pretty much a WWE Diva's match in and around the cocohut. I'm actually going to remove 2 of the females and give them to a buddy who needs them to try to cut back some of the wrestling when the calling starts. I'm pretty sure once the competetion stops the breeding will start.
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I have mints and oranges. My female mint is massive. My male mint is about the same size as my female orange. My male oranges are the smallest. But we're not talking about huge differences between the male mint and all three oranges.

I don't see any difference in the temperaments. They are all bolder than bulldogs and have very "in your face" attitudes.

I feed everyone 1/4 inch crix but they'll eat ff's and anything else you throw in. They watch the mossy tank next door and try to go after the adult crix through the glass.

They are great and have both started to breed recently. I have about 20 mint tads in the water.

I'm planning to add yellows next.

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Sbreland - SEVEN terribilis??? Now I'm curious on the size of tanks you keep all three morphs in!!!


Thanks for the comparison comments Salix! What's your group ratio?




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Thanks for the comparison comments Salix! What's your group ratio?

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My mints are a 1.1 and have produced about 4 clutches so far. The oranges are (I believe) a 2.1 group. Obviously the pair since I have tads in the water and a group just starting to hatch. On Christmas they laid another clutch of 16 eggs. I believe the third is a male based on body shape and the length of the body, but I've never seen two calling at the same time.

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