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Old 05-28-2013, 07:02 PM
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Hey guys! Over the next few days, I'll be putting together a 46g bowfront build. GS background. Sooo, my question is, how much approx. will I need? The back of the tank is 36x21". I have 2 GS cans on the way. I haven't bought any of the rest of it yet simply because I have no idea how much I'm going to need.

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Old 05-28-2013, 08:05 PM
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I just finished my 46 gal bowfront a few weeks ago! I used 4 cans of GS, but I also did the sides, and needed to wait for it to sit before turning it around and doing the opposite side. Waiting made my GS harden up and I threw it out, so if you use acetone to clean the nozzle (which I read about after I threw out my can) will save you an entire can. I also used the gaps and cracks kind, so if you use window and door you might need more, but I can't be sure on that.
Also, I used one brick of coco fiber and 4 or 5 tubes of GE Silicone II. I highly recommend using the bag of eco earth instead of the compressed brick, unless you want to dry it in the dryer or wait a few days for it to dry. Let me know if you have other questions I might be able to help with!
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Yea Fantastica is right you'll need about 4 cans of GS. Thats how many i used on the 56 back and sides. I'll skip the silicone and use titebond II or III. TBII is about $16 and TBIII is about $36 but you should only need about one gallon of it so it comes out cheaper than buying enough silicone. Also the eco earth does not look good IMO because its texture is too consistent so I would go with the milled peat. You can get a bail of it $10 at Lowes and trust me it'll be enough to do 20 tanks.
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So, if I'm reading this right, you used 4 cans, but mainly because you had to throw one incomplete can out? So would you say that my 2 cans may work fine for the back only? And as for the tubes of silicone, did you silicone the back, then over the GS as well? Or just over the GS?

Which size bag of eco-earth do you think would work to just cover the back?

EDIT: diggenem, I don't have much experience with either, honestly. This is my first (of 5) vivs to have a GS back. I like the idea of a non-consistent texture, though. Peat it may be.

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Its not on your list, but personally I'd recommend gorilla glue over the silicon or titebond III. Far less fumes than silicone, much less drying time than titebond and, done correctly, very little need to second coat it too. Up to you, thought I'd throw it out there for you to look into.

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cant really use Gorilla glue either. u really have to watch out for it, with my experience with it, the clear amber stuff is waterproof, but it also requires you to moisten the surface area. if you're using peat moss or even partially wet eco earth. the mixed glue with the substrate will foam up and swell and is hard to apply to the backdrop. another thing is you cant really get gorilla glue in big 1 gal jugs. the other gorilla glue is the yellow wood glue and thats not waterproof.
you're better off using Titebond 3.

as for the GS, i used 5-6 cans of the big gap filler on my 40gal paludarium. but only cuz i was making ledges and such. 2 definitely wont be enough. get more cans!
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2 more GS cans have been added. May pick up one more.

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So, if I'm reading this right, you used 4 cans, but mainly because you had to throw one incomplete can out? So would you say that my 2 cans may work fine for the back only? And as for the tubes of silicone, did you silicone the back, then over the GS as well? Or just over the GS?

Which size bag of eco-earth do you think would work to just cover the back?

EDIT: diggenem, I don't have much experience with either, honestly. This is my first (of 5) vivs to have a GS back. I like the idea of a non-consistent texture, though. Peat it may be.

Thanks so much,
Mark
Yes, but I would recommend 3. I did also put silicone on the back (which I recommend if you want to add stuff to the great stuff, like ledges or cork bark pieces) so I think 3 might work for just the background. 4 to be safe, though! I would use the smallest eco earth bag and it should be enough.
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cant really use Gorilla glue either. u really have to watch out for it, with my experience with it, the clear amber stuff is waterproof, but it also requires you to moisten the surface area. if you're using peat moss or even partially wet eco earth. the mixed glue with the substrate will foam up and swell and is hard to apply to the backdrop.
The swelling is the whole point, in my eyes. I purposefully use damp substrate, first I spray the surface to be glued, then empty a load of GG over it, leave it for ten mins to start to foam. Once it's foaming, push damp substrate into it all over, and just keep pushing it in for about 45 mins. Leave for 24 hours, turn upright and brush off. This gives a nice thick layer of substrate that shouldn't move until it literally rots and disintegrates, roots take to it well too. I've used this stuff successfully to bond soil, bark chip, gravel, stone chippings, even sand.

Here's one of my larger vivs with gorilla glued earth



and here is one with sand



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Anyone know how much Titebond I would need to do a 20 gallon H?
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What color is titebond? Brown, or black? And is there that much difference between titebond ii and iii?

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For a 20H one gallon should do it.



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One gallon should be enough for a 20H.

TB dries clear so it assumes the color of whatever you mix with it.

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Alright, so if I'm gathering right, the layers go like this: titebond on the glass, GS to suit, titebond over dried GS, peat/coco/etc on wet titebond.

Just the same as with silicone, yeah?

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well i just go straight GS on the glass then TB/peat mix. I then add dried peat to random areas to add texture. I let my glue run over the edges of the foam to the glass to seal everything in.
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"TB/peat mix" That's the part that I was wondering. Are you mixing the peat into the TB, or putting a layer of TB, then adding peat to the top while it's wet?

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I mix it in when I want the area to be hard or put down the TB then lay peat on top when I want it to be softer.
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